dismiss it as not meaningful, the simple thought that it happened with pretty much not only know pushback on the right, but mocking of it on the right, that s essentially invitation. it s giving a stamp of approval that, yes, we don t want to take it seriously, and if it happens again, we might not step up and say anything about at the next time. in some way or another, if you don t stand up against violence, just as i said after january 6th, if you don t have a hearing, if you don t draw that line, even if drawing that line does nothing, you are basically inviting more of the same. that s an interesting point, draw the line even if you don t think it has any consequence because for historians, people who look back, and people in politics, that wind may ultimately mean something very important. joanne, good to see you as always. dr. joanne friedman, a professor of history and american studies at yale university. again, somebody who wrote a book a long time ago that is
progress they fought for. that what is at this year. joining me now is dr. joanne friedman, a and yale university and co-host of the now and then podcast. she is also the author of the book the field of blood, violence in congress and the road to the civil war. thank you for joining us, dr. friedman. i remember what i spoke with you, right after january 6th, might have been the next day. you and i know each other, but i did not think we would actually be talking on a regular basis about political violence in america. or at least domestically abused political violence. yet here we are, what is the effect that this is part of the discourse? that simple fact that there is endless reasons for us to come back and discuss the topic is part of the problem. which is to some degree, we are watching violence, maybe more accurately, the threat of violence become normalized. that it is happening, we don t like that is happening, you showed a pull a moment ago that
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