now. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: edward snowden is a hero to some and a traitor to others after leaking secret information about government surveillance programs at home and around the world. snowden remains in russia, where he refuses to return to this country to stand trial. the intelligence data he revealed just how extensive the nsa s data collection was and continues to be. here to talk about the fallout and where the story goes from here is edwin smith, law professor at usc s school of law and an expert in international law. good to have you on the program. thank you. tavis: i want to take the story to where we think it might be headed. there are a number of places. let me start by asking what you make of the statements from attorney general eric holder that he would be open to a conversation with him. how do you read that? back to the initial case that was filed and basically, this is the suggested a kindhe su