turkey, for example, claims to be in this fight with us. but look at all the flux of the foreign fighters coming through turkey into syria, into iraq to join the fight in isil. other countries that are very worried about this, we just met with the king of jordan and he tells us he s very worried about the influx of foreign fighters to join in this enemy fight. so it s a problem worldwide. we need to get more of our allies into the fight. we have jordan, we have other allies. but how are these foreign fighters getting to syria and getting to iraq because they have country leaders that are willing to look the other way. and we ve got to be honest with our allies and say, turkey, you re not doing enough, you re not stemming the flow of these foreign fighters. some of them, sadly, are even coming from the united states. not as many. most come from the middle east and for western fighters, they re coming from uk and
their extremist caliphate throughout the world. they will accept nothing other than their hateful ideology as a sign of true islam, which is a perversion. and it doesn t matter what form it takes, whether it s al shabaab, whether it s al qaeda, whether it s the taliban, whether it s isil, they have one global jihadist network at play and that is anti-western, anti-democracy, anti-christian. and it s to establish this extreme caliphate throughout the world. so we ve got to be ever-vigilant. we haeldeld a hearing on foreig fighters and that s alarming the number of foreign fighters that are joining this fight to destroy everyone s way of life. it s frightening. so what can the united states do about all of this? well, first of all, we need to continue to work with our allies. clearly, many of our allies are not doing enough.
group in the middle of europe. ukraine, pro-russian rebels, with even greater technology than any of the al qaeda groups have had in the past, able to reach civil aviation planes at such a great altitude. how much of a different territory does this put us in, just as americans, as fliers on international planes? how much more dangerous is it today than we thought it was just a few days ago? well, a few days ago, as far as i m concerned, this was unthinkable. if you had said this was a likely possibility, i would say it s not gonna happen, they are not gonna let these missiles turn them over to groups that have no command and control, which is clearly what happened. this plane, i doubt, was shot down on purpose, but the fact is the russians gave sophisticated weapons to a guerilla group and this is what we have. not just the sach-11 the s-300. this conflict is in the middle of europe and it affects
have taken the plane down, can putin successfully push back with all his propaganda machine to deny some responsibility for this? it is going to be hard in the last shoot down. the shootdown of the anton at 26,000 feet and this jet 3593,000 feet indicate the surface-to-air missile, not a shoulder-fired system probably used in most of the other attacks. so, this is a game changer and this focuses the world s attention on what kind of heavy weapons are you providing to these people? so i think it s going to be very difficult for him to step back from this. bob, i wonder if i can ask you, your experience as a cia analyst. we talked a little bit about this yesterday. but this kind of asymmetric warfare, tarreting airers, a thing as security, counterterrorism services focused on al qaeda-like groups, islamic terror groups and now you have a russian-supported
aviation in a lot of police and not just the ukraine. we need some sort of regime to get back at this. i think it s fantastic that the russians handed this stuff over with no control and we need to get to moscow to put an end to this now and this isn t going to be the last plane. you made the point, bob that these weapons are not just in eastern ukraine, they are in syria, they are in iraq, other groups like isis i m sure would want to use them. josh, i wonder if i can get to you, people talk about how do you pressure russia now? my question to you is does putin care about the international condemnation and sanctions so far and if not, what will it take to get them to care and to change and back off from support for the rebels that we ve seen so far? right. what s clear is whatever sanctions the u.s. and europe have brought so far have not been strong enough to change putin s general calculus about his own country s strategic interests and his own goals inside eastern ukraine. let