but how well would he be received by those in charge here in the united states? my next guest is coming straight from the white house, the director ever the institute for catholicism and citizenship and professor of theology at the university of st. thomas in st. paul, minimal minute. welcome. thank you. i know you say the pope s visit comes at a unique time because of what s happening, this great debate within the catholic church. more complex you say than the visits of john paul ii or pope benedi benedict. can you explain what you mean by that? yeah. in church history, there is a 50-year history of the visits of the popes to the united states. but the previous ones up to the visit of pope benedict in 2008, they happened in a church that was quiet or where dissent was marginal in some places. the special thing for pope