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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 04:46:00

that the far right is very active in many different countries across the world. hate is all over the world. yeah. you were involved with the national front, then the british national party. these days, those two organisations are almost defunct. almost defunct. one organisation that you have been crucial in essentially eliminating is so called national action. yeah. now, in 2017, you were involved as the handler of an informer inside that organisation. yep. it s a story which has recently been dramatised on uk tv. and in essence, you, working with this informer, managed to foil a plot to kill a british labour mp. yeah. why didn t you work from the very get go with the police? is it because you have a suspicion of the police? no. well, there s two things that are quite evident. three days before we uncovered the plot to kill a sitting

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 04:31:00

drones during the night. next it s hardtalk with stephen sackur. a warning this edition contains references to racist language that some viewers may find offensive. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. eight decades after the world confronted the evil of nazism, significant numbers of people around the world are still drawn to extreme violent forms of race hatred and nationalism. in his youth, my guest was part of that culture. matthew collins was a violent far right thug, but he changed sides, became an informer and after years in exile, returned to britain to become a prominent activist for the group hope not hate.

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 00:46:00

it s notjust a uk phenomenon. no. we should be very mindful that the far right is very active in many different countries across the world. hate is all over the world. yeah. you were involved with the national front, then the british national party. these days, those two organisations are almost defunct. almost defunct. 0ne organisation that you have been crucial in essentially eliminating is so called national action. yeah. now, in 2017, you were involved as the handler of an informer inside that organisation. yep. it s a story which has recently been dramatised on uk tv. been dramatised on uktv. and in essence, you, working with this informer, managed to foil a plot to kill a british labour mp. yeah. why didn t you work from the very get go with the police? is it because you have a suspicion of the police? no. well, there s two things that are quite evident.

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 00:31:00

england, on christmas eve. the victim has been named as 26 year old ellie edwards. a 30 year old man and a 19 year old woman have been arrested. lucy grey will be with you at the top of the hour. next it s hardtalk with stephen sackur. a warning this edition contains references to racist language that some viewers may find offensive. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. eight decades after the world confronted the evil of nazism, significant numbers of people around the world are still drawn to extreme violent forms of race hatred and nationalism. in his youth, my guest was part of that culture. matthew collins was a violent far right thug, but he changed sides, became an informer

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 04:44:00

facing murder charges, and we have to talk a little bit about what happened and why it happened. sure. while you were in new haven, connecticut, you were accused of being involved, in fact, being responsible for the murder of a young man. i believe he was 19 years old. yes, he was. he was inside the black panther party, but seniorfigures in new haven believed he was an informer to the fbi. how did it happen that you were present when that young man was tortured? well, what happened is that a man who we later found out was an informant for the fbi. ..brought that young man into the party office in new haven, connecticut. i ll neverforget the day, and. ..forcibly. .. ..pushed him in through

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