are they not releasing more information about the incident? i think, christi, you know, not knowing the facts in this case makes it very difficult. the fact they have charged both with second-degree murder in this case is a good indication that the investigation is disclosing there was no justification and even the so-called pursuit, that they have no reason to be shooting into that car which results in the death of a little boy. so i can think of no reason for doing it. so, joey, second-degree murder. you ve got video of the case which we know the superintendent there, louisiana police says is one of the worst things he has ever seen essentially. you ve got a history of alleged violence, at least on one of these guys. how do you begin to defend them? where do you start? good morning, christi and tom. certainly the dash bam or the body cam video is going to be
to the local officials here in this area, as well as the family of those two officers. we have not heard back. so far there is no indication that either one of those officers were ever convicted of a crime. i did speak to those here at a detention center behind me. they are telling me this morning the two officers are held in this facility behind me and they are being separated away from the general population. we should mention they are going to make their first court appearance sometime this week. perhaps more importantly that funeral for 6-year-old jeremy mardis is expected to be held on monday in hattiesburg, mississippi. nick, thank you. so let s bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and hln legal analyst joey jackson. tom, we don t know why police were chasing the father, chris few in this case, we don t know why they opened fire and no warrants out on him and no gun in the vehicle. in your opinion, and based on what you know, why would officers react like that and
was there any kind of character testing done for those departments? how they got to be police officers in the first place is a concern to me and then once they start having these kind of occurrences during their career, they shouldn t be out there. tom, you know, there s reporting that they were part-time jobs for these two for the marksville city marshals. does that matter in any way this was a part-time gig for them? it didn t matter to the little boy. so, to me, if they are going to be out there carrying a gun and being in that kind of a position, then they need to qualify as police officers or not be there. joey, four officers here and only two charged. as a defense attorney, what would you want to get from those other two officers and how would they play a role here in the defense. they will play a major role. not only for the defense but the prosecution. so certainly what their eyewitness accounts are going to be critical.
done in general, the work that they re doing at this very moment that we speak, the men and women are still getting it done out there for us every day. so, let me bring paul calen especially since you just - mentioned, cedric, the anecdotal versus the empirical. it may be too early to have empirical data. right. we are only talking a year or so. so i ll open it up to you two, paul and joey. and these are thorny issues, people don t like to talk about them. the debate is mitigated for fear some will come off sounding racist, et cetera, if they even tackle the other side of the black lives matter issue. and then you have a guy like james comey, the fbi director, coming out and saying this at a very prestigious venue. what practical effect might it have? i ll start with you, joey. well, taking it from the beginning, ashleigh, and looking at the statistics that we could evaluate, it s unbelievable, murder statistics. milwaukee up 76%, st. louis 60% from last year.
people are behind bars in america today. that compares to just 500,000 30 years ago. want to bring back paul calen and hln legal analyst joey jackson. also joining me, law enforcement analyst cedric alexander, past prest of the noble organization of black law enforcement executives. am i correct, cedric, you were at the meeting. and i know that james comey didn t say these remarks at the meeting. he said them at an address at his alma mater, the law school, the university of chicago. but they must be resonating and resounding among the officials attending that meeting. well, i ve been in this profession a long time, ashleigh, and i have a very different perspective, if you will, and that perspective is this. there is no statistical data to suggest in no kind of way that officers are not doing their job and that s adding to the increase in violent crime across