that s something to consider when you talk about a transition in the party to younger base, they brought in all these younger voters. it might be a mismatch. but if hillary clinton doesn t run, and we assume she s going to run, assuming she s healthy. right. if she doesn t run, do you think he would run? the way i look at these guys is they re running until they say they re not running. unless you rule it out, you re basically you re running. that is the process of running. right? you do all the things, you make sure the media talk about you, you don t rule it out. you start organizing. you do all those things. so in my mind he s running and hillary clinton is running even though they haven t publicly declared. and at the point where they say, okay, i m not running, that means they lost. i think that s the sort of useful way to look it must be frustrating. he s been vice president for five years. as ryan says, a good vice president, five years. to see all these obama folks
hillary clinton and mccain. to me, what s most problematic is for republicans, i don t care who the nominee is, and it will be a he, unfortunately, if he can t compete with minority voters, you know, they are not going to get a wide electorate. look what happened in virginia last time around. that electorate is not getting whiter. we lost white women by 16 points last time around on the way to winning every state office in virginia. before we go off on the republicans, got to ask you, plan b. if hillary clinton doesn t run, who do you see? if hillary clinton doesn t run, i think we have a strong finish. there has been talk about right here in maryland, the governor of maryland joe, you know what, joe biden, i will say this, joe biden won over a lot of democrats in the debate where he did to congressman ryan what many were hoping that the president was going to do to mitt romney. so don t underestimate joe biden in the democratic primary if
most often, a senator who s not afraid to deal. maine s angus king. senator john mccain shows his sport for pro-european protesters in the ukraine. hear what he told msnbc that might trigger the u.s. to get involved. 2016 news. what s going on with chris christie and the george washington bridge? in a hypothetical world where hillary clinton doesn t run, would democrats and republicans underestimate joe biden at their own peril? good morning from washington. it s monday, december 16th, 2013. this is the daily rundown. i m chuck todd. right to my first reads of the morning. the senate is poised to pass the two-year budget agreement hammered out by congressman paul ryan and senator patty murray. does that mean new momentum for an immigration overhaul or minimum wage hike? or will washington in 2014 look a lot like washington in 2013? a city ham strung by
let s remove hillary clinton from the race. and then all of a sudden, joe biden becomes the front-runner certainly at this point in time. that makes sense, eight years at vice president. been in congress since the early 1970s. we re three years out at this point. do these numbers matter just a general indicator? they do matter about you they are a general indicator. for the folks who say it s too early to talk about this, certainly from our perspective, we re not the ones going to iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, florida, raising money for democrats. clearly laying the groundwork. we ve seen that from rand paul and ted cruz. joe biden himself is already making phone calls tols iowa, new hampshire. but if hillary clinton doesn t run, a whole new race. we re already handicapping 2016. thanks very much to mark preston. later this hour, we ll talk more about joen s hopes for 2016. he may be second in some of the polls but that s not stopping
obviously and elizabeth warren would have an audience. we have only elected three sitting senators in our history. after all the administrative problems with obama care, i think there is going to be a lot of premium on executive experience. it is going to benefit chris christie and the republican party and if hillary clinton doesn t run, the governors in the democratic party. each president we elect has been there to rectify that. that is going to benefit executives in 2016. we have counted the shopping days since the iowa caucus, 750. will you cybershop monday or jump into the black friday parade? i am staying away from the mall. you made time for us, ron. we really appreciate it. thanks so much. he didn t definitively answer. almost like a politician. he took a very middle of the line road. a lot can happen in three years. a lot can happen. remember back in 2006, there was no barack obama, probably, at this time. he was a senator and given that