during a similar investigation. so a little bit of an interesting mislocation of the viewpoints here. let s talk about what mcgahn may have been around for, what he may have witnessed, and reminding our viewers, he is not only a lawyer but white house counsel. that makes his value extreme as a witness before the mueller prosecutors. that s right. the oath that don mcgahn swore when he took the office was to the constitution and to the rule of law. not to donald trump personally. so his duty of loyalty runs to the office, to the institution of the presidency as noted. what has he been around for? first when sally yates in january 2017, right after the inauguration, came to the white house and said that michael flynn had laid to fbi investigators, she made report directly to don mcgahn. so he was in the room when those
understanding, a coming together is made extra tough by the era we re living through right now. absolutely. i think, you know, frankly, we have a president who does not set a good example. i mean just if we look at social media alone how often is he attacking people s character? people who are to be taken seriously, who care about these issues, who care about the american people who are trying to make a difference. i think it set asts a i think it set asts terrible example. i hope people buy it and read your story. you mentioned you d like to be president. is that still your goal? that is my goal, yes. it is not so cavalier by the time you reach the end of the book. it kind of starts making perfect sense. i m quite sure hearing opposing viewpoints would be an important part of your platform. absolutely. for me, i care about incoming equality. i care about equality race,
conversations across the aisle, across political divides, especially when it comes to critical issues of race and gender and class. and you tried? i tried. and i faced significant backlash. part of the challenge has to do with social media. which is dividing us further. exactly. it is increasing polarization. i think we have to start talking to each other again, even though it is very tough to do. that is clearly your message, that however abhorrent or offensive you find the other side, it is best to learn their arguments, take it on, listen to it. and i didn t want to go there on politics, but what you are calling for, increase understanding, a coming together is made extra tough by the era we re living through right now. absolutely. i think, you know, frankly, we have a president who does not set a good example. i mean just if we look at social media alone how often is he attacking people s character?
brennan s is more complicated. sometimes with this president, it is hard to know what is strategic. he has long a problem. he has long had a vendetta against him for quite some time. this president is sensitive to anyone who publicly criticizes him. particularly on television. so that s part of it. the other part is he realize that s brennan with his attachment to the deep state, with his ties to the russia probe, could be a useful foil here. someone else he could attack. a proxy for requesting after the mueller investigation. and brennan who has been a very outspoken critics, trump has told people around him, he thinks the credibility has been shot. if he links brennan to mueller, that helps him attack credibility of the investigation. regardless of what else is said about mr. brennan, he is at heart a long time, many decades public servant. and i know you wanted to come on tonight and make a point about