defense attorney dorothy clay simms. thank you for joining us. thank you for having me greta. greta: the chicago sun times reporting when casey anthony does leave jail she going to have to be in disguises. obviously you can t tell us about it. what are your thoughts on her level of need of security? i would hope that she would be treated with compassion and respect and her privacy taken care of. we are concerned about her for a number of reasons. but i have faith that people will come around, people will show compassion. i think things are calming down already. i m been getting e-mails telling me they ve been through circumstances and trauma and reacted in certain ways and they understand. so, my hope is that kind of sentiment will continue and she will be treated with
specific element of the charge, you can use that to convict. especially there is no cause of death. by your count the judge shouldn t let it go to the jury. the judge could have said you can t prove murder here. [ talking over each other ] what s that? greta: a jury a juror could conclude there was a murder. this jury could not. question is who did it? in my book someone acts like this is showing conscious of guilt. in one instance you cannot convict i have to agree with brother grimm on behavior alone. thank you bernie. what i m looking at here is what i thought was a strong circumstantial evidence case. greta: circumstantial of a cause of death? one of the things you have to show in murder is that cause of death was unlawful.
absolutely. unfortunately, because of the way the remains were, they were not able to show that. when you put the totality of circumstances together. partying, mother putting tattoos, lying about greta: that s the whole question. can the bad behavior, someone who is so wicked, her behavior is reprehensible can that sly the missing element needed to show it was an unlawful killing that it is murder? i think you can look at the whole course of her behavior in addition, it may be they didn t see that behavior. that partying that dancing. as consciousness of guilt. what he talked about that foreman with you, was motive. they thought motive offered by the prosecution w weak. remember the defense said, she partied before when caylee was alive. and then she partied after.
without a murder scene. without any idea to this day, you were there too, we don t know how he murdered laci but we had no doubt about it. greta: but that was murder, right? you re right. one thing has rubbed me badly when he said so much time was spent on her acts after and we weren t able to take that consideration that is legally not correct. they could have taken it. jim, you ve been putting people in prison too long and getting sick from it or you hit your head. you can t convict somebody greta: that was a mice way to start. and jim and you are good friends. greta: you need more friends like that jim. you can t convict someone because casey anthony is not going to be on the cover of parenting magazine. these morally bankrupt. that s not the point what the point is, if somebody is bad unless it goes to a
under one banner. greta: rose hand s nuts. it is about your macadamia farm in hawaii. roseanne s nuts. it is about your macadamia farm in hawaii. a reality show isv5/ñ so differt than a sitcom isn t it? yeah. it is a lot more relaxed. a little bit more fun. cause you can improve a lot. but they both have funny jokes. so even though it is unscripted it is kind of scripted too the reality show. greta: i would think it would be harder because it is such an invasion of your privacy. question are we are going into your home. you are sort of coming in my home. i have a nice home and i want people to see it. i like farming and all this good stuff. i think it is important now. there s so many people going through tough times.