will, or around that time, when done mcgahn was being open about being open about his feelings with this case with mueller, things started to accelerate. could it be that here don mcgahn had offered, if you will, the kindling to where we re at today in the mule he is investigation. i don t want to speculate. but as the other guests have said, he was in the room for all of this and so what he s giving mueller is direct firsthand knowledge of key conversations that the president had. he s been in the oval office when president trump has blown up at attorney general jeff sessions for not recusing himself from the russia investigation. he was ints matt he was invole decision to fire james comey and i believe he argued against it and he could say this is what happened and the time line and people in the oval and how the president reacted. and he is a washington veteran. he s a lawyer. so he really know what he can and can t say. he s a careful individual.
counsel and his own attorney general? well, jim, it s very clear that the president s strategy is to undermine the mueller investigation. has very little to do with the firing of the fbi agent or the investigation of hillary clinton. it s a distraction. where he s trying to distract the investigation from doing its work looking at the connections between the president, his campaign and russia. so, it is very disturbing to see this type of distraction but it should not remove our focus on giving mueller the support he needs. congress should pass statutes making it clear that we stand behind the independence of this investigation. we support it and we will not at all allow the interference by the president of the united states or any outside forces. we know that the special counsel robert mueller has been looking at the president s tweets as part of his investigation into possible obstruction of justice.
because there s so much about they engaged in collusion. that s a crime. that s not accurate. the better approach for those who want to condemn the president, he engaged in conduct that come to a federal crime. the chips will fall where they fall. that is silly, in my humble opinion. giuliani is negotiating with the mueller team about an interview with the president. if push comes to shove, should mueller subpoena the president? that s the key question that everybody is talking about. i have said before that in my opinion, maybe it s slightly counter intuitive, i m not sure mueller would subpoena him. if you look at it from a purely investigative stan point, he didn t necessarily need the information from him. it becomes an ironic, circular thing.
what he is saying, under what conditions he is questioned and how that information is used. they are going to try to be careful to defend the president. balancing the desire to protect him legally and demonstrate he s done nothing wrong is the challenge they have to deal with right now. i don t know that they have decided where they are going to come down in terms of giving mueller s team access to the president. what is the headline out of tuesday s special election out of ohio? kevin, you first? democrats are going to say whether or not they win or lose, it is closer than anyone hoped. sean, what about you? what do you think the washington post s headline will be? if the democrats win the election, really there s going to be a lot of worry about november from republicans. we have seen time and again in special elections, republicans losing or performing poorly in districts and states where under ordinary conditions they should be doing well. if they lose another one, you ar
from this trial in terms of the extravagance of paul manafort s lifestyle. you know, i think that s typical, these details are typical of a high-profile litigation. they are trying to build a case against him and those details are only part of the case. shawn, kevin touched on this, rudy giuliani, the president s lawyer is working over the weekend to work on an interview with the president. what, really, should we expect to come out of this? i think the short answer is, we still don t know what they are going to decide in terms of allowing the president agreeing to meet with mueller s team. it s not clear that the president s team decided, ultimately, where they are going to come down on this. we have seen mixed signals. it s clear that the president wants to demonstrate he has not done anything wrong. we have heard him say that in public. it s clear the legal team knows they need to be careful about