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Transcripts for MSNBC Chris Jansing Reports 20240604 18:51:00

this to add to their list. so i think long term, with the special counsel, it is probably a good thing, because they will probably try to phle gate the appearance of bias but it is certainly a short term situation. and time to go back to barbara and lee because we ve talked about the politics of the appointment of the special counsel and ultimately the appointment of a special counsel is about the legal aspect of this, and so from a legal standpoint, what are the differences in the way, in the things that these two special counsels are looking at? how are they different legally, these two cases? bell, they both begin with the idea that classified information is supposed to be handled in appropriate ways. there are rules about those things and failure to do so can violate a number of different statutes. so i imagine in those ways, they are very similar. and there will be examination as to whether any of those laws were violated and what kind of

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Transcripts for MSNBC Chris Jansing Reports 20240604 18:45:00

and all of that that the publics was just looked at the whole thing and said, wow a what a complete mess. we thought it was a mess, but one of the things politics and the media coverage, today s hour has been great, but doesn t allow for nuance and doesn t allow for shades it s either black or white. that s all it is in the course of this. politics doesn t allow that. and the polarized environment we re in certainly doesn t allow for that. but i think one thing that is joe biden has been a firm believer in the institutions of government. he s been a firm believer that we have to rebuild trust and we have to do that. donald trump never believed that, he never said it, he never even wanted to do it and he did everything possible to undermine it. but i think one of the things in his time it s the only way out of this mess and it s going to be a short-term mess is an operating and continuing integrity. you could make all the rules

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Transcripts for MSNBC Chris Jansing Reports 20240604 18:28:00

who have been out there in front of this, if they would have just dumped everything together. i suspect they were told they could not do that because they have been coordinating with the release of the information with the department of justice. there s a reason because the communication strategy would have obviously been to dump it all at once. politically for them, there s not a presidential election for almost two years. so to predict the politics of this, there s no way to do it. who knows what will be the actual issues in november of 2024. what they are betting on is that this is thot a bad news for them. because that means there will be apples and apples here. two special counsels reviewing two very different scenarios. one where the president said he didn t have knowledge. we need more details of that. one where former president trump took documents, held them, refused to give them back and defied a subpoena. very different. so having the department of justice look at both is

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Transcripts for MSNBC Chris Jansing Reports 20240604 18:48:00

say anything whether it s the president or other people speaking on beafter of the white house that gets ahead of now this review that s being led by this special counsel. it meeps there s a limit to the clarify he can provide until that is done. we should give the public credit here. i don t think that everybody in the public who is watching is assuming erveg is exactly the same. i agree the headlines will be confusing, but what they are trying to do from the white house is explain and show by action, and this is where they will be judged, they are participating in the process. they are being forward about what they know now. yes, there are questions about why they didn t put it out in december. i agree with those. they will be judged by that as well, which is still a stark difference from donald trump, who is withholding documents. we don t know what he s done with them and not been participating or transparent this any way, shape, orform. it will be a challenge for them.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Chris Jansing Reports 20240604 18:13:00

statement the white house put out earlier today, the review of other properties including the home wasn t completed until last night why didn t you try to check to make sure there were no documents anywhere else. and again, these are two different scenarios, but it is going to lead to the waters getting muddies. at least politically it s pretty dicey for the white house. his attorneys find the documents. didn t disclose it. and then this doesn t happen until way after. why would you wait that long to search the homes in delaware? and why not get out in front of it. what s your take on this? two things. something that saud having been through a couple of these situations in this is if the

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