and by negotiating what kind of industry to standards they want to promote that way the commission says the car makers prevented innovation and that s how they formed a cuttle now margaret vest the commission s competition chief she says that this might be stretching the notion of cartel law a little that of course this doesn t fit with the traditional description of price cartels still she says this was a cartel and that s why the card makers have to pay that fine. fines poles are also being fined also billion euros so far a german comic has had to pay big fines and settlements in the u.s. is now pay day in europe. certainly looks like it and quite obviously you know state attorneys here in germany and also other legal institutions in europe have taken much more time than the americans to find out that there actually