apparently, carlos de oliveira is the one who was assigned to put on the lock on the storage room, which is what the trump team had told prosecutors and told the justice department that they were going to secure all of those boxes all of those documents to make sure they were in a safe place. obviously, after that, prosecutors knew that the boxes were moved. one of the things that to me, really stands out, this indictment, this new indictment, really brings forward the timeline. the previous one really stops back in june of 2022. when they come and retrieved the boxes, and of course we know the fbi did a subsequent search this fills in so many the blanks that we knew there was something amiss. and that there were witnesses that would come forward to the justice department and told them that boxes were moved and that there was an effort of obstruction. really fills in the blanks on that obstruction picture? it s a lot worse once they get the subpoena for those surveillance. it turns t
substantiate subsequent search. this fills in so many of the blank we knew something was amiss and there were witnesses that came forward to the justice department and told them boxes were moved and there was an effort apt obstruction them fills in the blanks on that obstruction picture it s a lot worse once they get the subpoena for those surveillance tapes. it kind of turns the former president into the wizard behind the curtain, because that s what this says. and can you sort of imagine this you think you ve gotten away with it, according to this, and the president himself meets with the fbi, with the justice department, with his own attorneys, and he declares, according to this document, that he s an open book. that s a quote. i m just an open book. earlier that day, he had documents flown to bedminster. then wait a minute, all of a sudden the fbi discovers that there s a surveillance system there, and they suddenly say,
your possession. the second piece is the obstruction, which is when we demanded these documents back, we see on videotape people moved them around. so you re trying to hide them and you lied to your lawyer about it who made false representations to us because he believed it could be true. but this is a layer deeper because when you bring a charge that says that multiple people conspired, allegedly on instructions from donald trump, to not just obstruct justice by moving the things around, but then tried to find and delete the videos that showed them moving them around, you are in a new zone here because you have an obstruction of justice being committed to conceal the original obstruction of justice charge. an obstruction on top of another obstruction. it s an obstruction of an obstruction. you know, that really kind of fills out in the superseding
colleague, vaughn hillyard, he was asked yesterday about the president s state of mind around the election and around the time of january 6th, it sort of fills in gaps about the idea of whether or not he knew that he had lost that election. by the way, this is not the first time russell was called to testify. we understand from a source that he was also asked in the past about the classified documents piece of this. he s clearly a person with wide knowledge based on his proximity to events in the oval office during that time period, so potentially valuable witness and one that the january 6th committee seems to have kind of missed, basically, in their investigation of these same issues. we have tim parlatore on in a second, we re going to ask him about this. can you bring us up to speed on bernie kerik and how he plays into this investigation? kerik is a trump ally, somebody who was pardoned by the former president, and somebody who was very involved in trying the investigate the e