measurements are key. visually, is there much you can tell? visually, i have not flown into a hurricane before. i think visually there s certainly concerning indications you get. in particulars as you are able to look at 9 structure and the organization that the eyewall has. that tells you a lot about h how how intensely the central circulation is developing. so i ve seen the eyewall of hurricanes from the space shuttle looking down from on high all the way through a 50,000 foot storm. and i ll be very interested to see what the eyewall of irene looks like tonight. is it a smooth ride right now? it is right now a smooth ride. we get bounced and buffeted a little bit as we go through the rain bands, where the thunderstorms that are pumping all this lie. from the spiral pattern you see on at site images. we ve gotten a bit bounced as