possibility for an actual criminal investigation is if there was evidence that these texts were intentionally deleted and hidden from the committee. and i haven t seen evidence of that yet. ryan, i want to ask you kind of looking ahead though to tomorrow s hearing, as there is going to be much more to come with these text messages or lack thereof moving ahead, but on tomorrow s hearing, we know that congressman adam kinzinger has said that the hearing is going to open people s eyes in a big way. what are you hearing about this, what are the gaps to be filled? well, the gaps to be filled may be that there wasn t a big gap in the attention and response from former president donald trump while the capitol was under siege. you know, the committee has said from the very beginning that they view those 187 minutes from the time that he left the elipse until he finally sent out that
bannon will take the stand. he likes to have a platform. reporter: bannon s trial is especially important for the january 6 committee as they negotiate with additional witnesses to testify. the latest public hearing will happen thursday night in primetime and it is expected to focus on president trump s alleged dereliction of duty and the three plus hours when he was at the white house but didn t call for the violence to stop. we ll go through pretty much minute by minute from the time he left the stage at the elipse, came back to the white house, and really sat in the white house in the dining room, you know, with his advisers urging him continuously to take action, to take more action. the president didn t do very much but gleefully watch television during this time frame. we ll present a lot more than that. reporter: the committee is also expecting to hear more from the secret service about the missing text messages from january 5 and 6. the committee issued a subpoena
president, if not in crimes, at least as far as his central involvement of both in the actions on that day on the elipse. but also what took later at the capitol. barb, you are our awyer. if you are in a position to clear the president, why wouldn t you sit down and do it under oath? you re absolutely right, stephanie, they know that they have some criminal exposure here, and they are concerned. it may be the charges were never filed, because the justice department was not able to put them together. but anybody can see that there is criminal exposure here, and the person cannot just take the fifth because they don t feel like answering the questions. they want to protect somebody else. you have to have a well grounded fear of criminal prosecution and i think that based on the things that we have seen, there is absolutely the case of that. as you say, there is nobody out
during the call, the vice president told the president that he would not attempt to change the outcome of the election. in response, the president called the vice president of the united states a wimp and other derogatory words. as you can see in this e-mail, after vice president pence told president trump that he would not unilaterally deliver him a second term in office, the speechwriters were directed to reinsert the mike pence lines. here s how one of the speechwriters described the president s last minute change to the speech. and as i recall, there was a very tough sentence about the vice president that was added. president trump wanted to use his speech to attack vice president pence in front of a crowd of thousands of angry supporters who had been led to believe the election was stolen. when president trump arrived at the elipse to deliver his speech, he was still worked up
cause and effect. trump gave a speech and there was a march on the capitol. what the committee did through witness testimony is try to draw clearly the links, showing that the white house was in communication with these groups before january 6, the march on the capitol was not a spontaneous uprising or impassioned demonstration but part of or maybe the culmination of a strategy that had been planned in days and weeks before january 6. neil: tom, here s where it gets to be a slippery argument. much was said of these documents that were obtained from the national archives, including that donald trump reviewed that said i will be making a big speech at 10:00 a.m. january 6 at the elipse. please arrive early. the tweet was never sent. and the former president let his allies now, the plan was to direct the crowd to come to the