mess ? anthony: yes. afrika: that s the big baba, brother rashad, that s right. anthony: he and his associates in the zulu nation were absolutely instrumental in shaping what became hip-hop culture break-dancing, graffiti, deejaying, and rap. anthony: is the story true that you you d soak your records in water and take the label off? afrika: oh yes. we either, we put tape on it or we soaked the label off. um, you know, you had spies in each other s camps, you know, trying to find out what was the beat bambaataa playing. so, i used to soak it up. i used to put on tape to cover the records. and we was digging in the crates hard. anthony: you were, um, unusually voracious in your musical taste. of all the records in the world, how did you come upon kraftwerk? afrika: that came about digging in the crates down in the village. i said, this look type of weirdos here. so, when i took it home and i heard the sound, i said, whoa! i said, this is some funky hmm! i said,