for instance, how the individual knew it was a former president that was calling. was there and intermediary ahead of time to get this person a heads up? we don t know that. did the former president leave a voicemail? that s a possibility. there are a lot of things on the periphery of this that could give us more information to why they are so concerned with what we do know is that the committee has handed this information all over to the department of justice and they re the ones who will determine if a crime was committed expect thank you for that update. i want to bring an republican election lawyer in ginsberg what you make of those details ryan just reported? the idea that trump calls and he doesn t usually have much interaction with and it was somebody who could, potentially, corroborate cassidy hutchinson s testimony. what strikes you? it strikes me that that s the first step towards a charge of witness tampering if all of
based on ideas that are firmly rooted in the history. this means we re going back to a time before black people were able to vote, what we knew think of as a small fraction of our country was fully in control. so it is very limiting to imagine women s rights in terms of only the 18th and 19th centuries, and that is what this conservative court seems determined to do on reproductive rights, religious rights, and in other areas. the second amendment. and it s really going to have a profound impact on the lives of americans. yeah. all very important points we have been covering here in our first segment tonight, both the law and democracy response. thanks to both of you. let me tell folks what is coming up. there s a lot going on today. breaking news of a new search warrant on trump s election lawyer who was taking the fifth. the fbi just took his phone.
yes. we had an extended discussion an hour and a half to two hours on january 5th and when i pressed him on the point, i said john, if the vice president did what you re asking him to do, we would lose 9-0 in the supreme court, wouldn t we? he initially started, well, maybe you would lose only 7-2. after some further discussion acknowledged you right. we would lose 9-0. i want to discuss cnn legal analyst is here and the republican election lawyer who was a witness at monday s hearing. we re glad to have both you have. good evening. it s clear that eastman knew his proposal wouldn t hold water in court. is what he suggested just prop provocative or criminal? john eastman thinks it might be criminal and he asked for a pardon. we know that because he took the fifth amendment. they are trying to lay the
and what richard nixon did in 1960. are all examples of presidents who lost really narrow races, who contested those elections, within the bounds that they were allowed and then recognized the decision, because that s the way that the democracy needs to work. ben ginsberg, republican election lawyer, par excellence, witness today before the january 6th public hearing, sir, thank you so much for testifying, for your public service and thanks for talking to us tonight. thanks for letting me be with you. we will tell you that one of the things that ben ginsberg deserve norse credit for than he gets is his decision to pair with sort of democratic lawyers, his equivalent on the democratic side to form the election official legal defense network to get big law firm which guys like ben are influencele with to get big law firms around the country to pledge high level really good probono free legal
charged. and he said, i m not knocking down the idea that there s a broad conspiracy that involves trump. but something that will connect the president in his sort of plotting to undermine the election, with the 800 plus people who have been charged. it seems possible. up next, we re gonna be joined by republican election lawyer, ben ginsburg, who testified life today at today s hearing. much more to come this hour. stay with. us to come this hour. stay with. i went into this, and would tell him how crazy some of these allegations were. he was never there was never an indication of interest the actual facts. ts