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Transcripts for MSNBC The Katie Phang Show 20240604 12:43:00

our friend, each you, carroll securing a victory in her defamation and civil sexual battery trial. giuliani just getting served with a huge lawsuits, also alleging sexual battery. one element that s meant octave out a lot, is that there were included in this allegation of this lawsuit and the middle of dunfee, that trump was selling presidential pardons for $2 million a pop. giuliani, and trump, are going to split. that how concerned should americans be if there s a possibility? let me read this number. hours before leaving office, trump had 74, people and commute the sentence of should there be a concern that pardons are for sale? there s the pay to play that could be going on there. it s one of the many concerns that people should have about trump, and trumpism. i, mean again, with all the stuff with rooney, could you prove it? can you prove that trump knew. trump s greatest feet was that he never used the mail, right? so it s very hard to tie him to a lot of the stuff.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Ayman 20240604 00:21:00

this case. in that context, giuliani has a couple problems here. the first one is, juries don t like lawyers. plain and simple. they barely like us when we re standing up in front of them arguing. they definitely don t like us when we are on trial. the only thing they like less than lawyers are liars. by the time this case gets charred trial, there s going to be any number of things that can be used to impeach giuliani based on his credibility, his ability to testify truthfully. now, the laws a game of nerves. add to that, we start talking about him selling pardons, we re not just talking about how that comes up in the context of the courtroom at this case. it may be tried on. it also means that lots of people have a vested interest in preventing him from talking and preparing this case from moving forward. which means there s going to be pressure on him to resolve it sooner rather than later. katie, dunfee s lawsuit comes right after the verdict in the e. jean carroll case, which ru

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:04:00

in might be because there are so few parts of the complaint that can actually be read on television. the most serious accusation in the document that includes donald trump is about selling pardons for $2 million during the trump presidency. as i mentioned monday, when i read that passage to you, it appears on the same page on the complaint where there is a screenshot of rudolph giuliani s text to his employee, noelle dunphy, who is suing him, saying, can i shower with you? on the top of that page is the story about the 2 million dollar apartments. quote, julianna also asked miss dunfee if you knew anyone in need of an apartment, telling her that he was in selling

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:05:00

pardons, which he and president trump would split. you told miss dunfee that she could refer individual seeking pardons to him so long as they did not go through the normal channels of the office of the pardon attorney, because correspondents go into that office would be subject to disclosure under the freedom of information act. we do rudolph giuliani has left that accusation sit for over two full days now while he maintains complete silence about it. donald trump s last senate confirmed attorney general was asked about the possibility of rudolph giuliani selling 2 million dollar pardons. and he did not exactly offer strong defense. i want to ask you two more things. when is a 70-page complaint filed in state court in new york on monday. this is someone who worked for rudy giuliani who alleges not

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 02:03:00

has denied through a written statement from a spokesperson. last night, at this hour, we broke the news on this network that rudy giuliani was hit with a lawsuit in manhattan, suing him for a minimum of $10 million for violations of labor law, including refusing to pay the salary of the plaintiff of that lawsuit, dunfee. she says that rudy giuliani suit harassed or throughout his employment, and protect her at work and at other times. according to the complaint in a lawsuit, many, not all of her conversations with rudy giuliani, were recorded because he encouraged her to use recordings to take accurate notes during their work discussions. he hoped that some of the recordings could be used for a book about rudolph giuliani. many of the damning conversations promoted in the lawsuit are followed by the

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