yeah. it is difficult. it s below freezing. i m in downtown kyiv next to a ministry. you see a lot of snow around me. thank god and thank our infrastructure, service companies and officials and people. we have electricity. there is electricity around me. but that was not the case last week. last week kyiv was out of water and electricity and heating for about two or three days, and it was very, very difficult. the apartments get cold real quick. people have been struggling. i myself was very, very cold. what are some of your students telling you? you said people are struggling. what are they telling you specifically, some of your students? we have this fantastic conversation today actual aat school. i asked them why are they studying math if there was a war around. they were insistent they have to continue to study because they
day in kyiv. i think she is on the 23rd floor of her building. the only way to get to her apartment is to walk up and down the stairs. imagine what this is like for the elderly and for young children. so this is a conscious strategy. these are war crimes on an hourly basis. that is what we are seeing. and the cost of rebuilding ukraine, the years it will take, the dollars it will take, will be enormous. tim, you had a fascinating piece in foreign affairs that you pointed out putin, in a conference with a bunch of russian journalists, in answer to one of his favorite foreign policy experts, who has been on this show, the guy asked him about the cuban missile crisis. and what did he say? he asked putin, are you going to be like khrushchev, accepting a retreat? and putin he said are you going to be
which we have so far been able to do, right? remarkably so. the united states and europe have continued to tell putin and continue to sell signals to putin that we mean it when we want to defend ukrainian sovereignty. but it does highlight that ukraine is going to be devastated. i don t know if you can come up with a figure to describe what the rebuilding of ukraine is going to cost at this stage. it s incalculable. this is pulverization. this is a modern society. we ve both spent time there. you go to downtown kyiv and you could have been in any modern city in contemporary europe. the cost of this, a quarter of the population has been displaced. the physical cost now. i spoke to a friend the other day in kyiv. i think she is on the 23rd floor of her building.
since the first week of the invasion. one of the main targets has been energy infrastructure, plunging swaths of ukrainians into darkness. kyiv experienced blackouts and communication disruptions, all this as winter, cold, and snow have arrived. let me bring in the panel to talk about ukraine and we ll later get to china. joining me is richard haass and tim naftali. richard is the president of the council on foreign relations, and tim is a cnn presidential historian and teaches history at nyu. so that bombardment, this is part of the new general that s been put in place in russia. this is the guy who oversaw the syrian campaign. this is exactly what he did in syria. it is brutal. and they re going for energy infrastructure, they re basically plunging the civilian population into cold and misery, right? can ukraine just keep taking these body blows? you re exactly right.
energy infrastructure, plunging swaths of ukrainians into darkness. kyiv experienced blackouts and communication disruptions, all this as winter, cold, and snow have arrived. let me bring in the panel to talk about ukraine and we ll later get to china. i have two terrific guests joins me in studio, richard haass, and tim naftali. richard is the president of the council on foreign relations, and tim is a cnn presidential historian and teaches history at nyu. so that bombardment, this is part of the new general that s been put in place in russia. this is the guy who oversaw the syrian campaign. this is exactly what he did in syria. it is brutal. and they re going for energy infrastructure, they re basically plunging the civilian population into cold and misery, right? can ukraine just keep taking these body blows? you re exactly right. this is the aleppo-ization of the