joining our discussion now is isabel wilkerson, pulitzer prize-winning journalist, and author of the new york times bestseller caste: the origins of our discontents, and her other new york times bestseller, the warmth of other suns: the epic story of america s great migration. books on this program. isabel, thank you very much for joining us tonight. as the fourth of july approaches to see this country now, in education in texas, or florida and other states, trying to deny what has happened in the years both before july 4th, 1776, and since. it s just an extraordinary attempt, here, to rewrite what we have been. yes, and this particular fourth of july is a very significant one, because this
their name to a document declaring all men are created equal. they owned slaves. the texas state board of education is now considering a proposal, that the word slavery but should be changed to involuntary relocation, for a second grade students. that is an attempt to conform public school instruction with a new state law in texas, which says that slavery and racism must be taught as, deviations from, but trails, of or failures to live up to the authentic founding principles of the united states, which include liberty and equality. joining our discussion now is isabel wilkerson, pulitzer prize-winning journalist, and author of the new york times bestseller can stay, the origins of our discontents, and
from the discontents towards the incumbent administration itself and hatred towards the party and played a big part in impeachment. to start for the democratic party supporters were also not smooth. that s the primary result. did not make everybody happy. all in all, just party politics logic drove the entire campaign season which exhausts the voters.- entire campaign season which exhausts the voters. ~ ., ., ., exhausts the voters. what would have been some of exhausts the voters. what would have been some of the exhausts the voters. what would have been some of the main exhausts the voters. what would have been some of the main election - been some of the main election issues, in particularfor young issues, in particular for young people issues, in particularfor young people who i know are quite a deciding factor in this election. for the younger generations, gender issues where one of the biggest talking points when it comes to their support for either candidates. but for gener
see, you know, through their own eyes on their television screens. so i think it has imposed a kind of moral clarity on the world where people could imagine that putin was just a nationalist like them but, you know, still basically not that terrible a person and now i think they see the direction this kind of populist politics is leading. ok, let s talk about that moral clarity that you talk about, because 30 years ago, you said western liberalism had triumphed over all its ideological competitors and would end up as the single form of government over the long term. in your latest book, liberalism and its discontents, you recognise and analyse why liberalism has been in retreat. do you think what we are seeing now is effectively a correction to that retreat and will restore faith in liberalism, reinvigorate it? if the optimistic scenario materialises, if putin
again, is not dependent on simply having good leaders, but also limits power so that, regardless of who s elected, there are limits to what they can do. do you think he ll be the next republican candidate? i honestly don t know. i sure hope not. i think that it s possible that by the time we get to 2024, he s going to be old news. but i must say i don t really see an alternative to him at the moment. in your book, liberalism and its discontents, you address some of the challenges facing liberal democracy. some of them from within countries. we ve talked about this challenge of no cohesive idea. another is that of identity politics, which you sort of dive into. but there are. there are groups that are marginalised, oppressed, abused within liberal democracies. and identity politics is an understandable reaction to that. so do you recognise that sort of there are groups