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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:38:00

make of it all. and then, about a month after ron young s van was found, the detective happened to read about the car bombing death of gary triano. i was aware that what he was, gary, her ex-husband. and i was also aware that she had some relationship with ryan young, and he had fled the area. so that s what prompted me to call into tucson. reporter: reporter: well detective james gamber and keith st. john were there when the call came into the sherrif s department at tucson. it certainly got investigators attention, especially when they learned more about what was found in that van. there was a map of tucson and handwritten notes with the names and types of cars driven by some of gary triano s business associates, family and friends, including his niece melissa and one time girlfriend taylor. and there was more. and then we found a receipt for a hotel here in tucson, where ron young stayed in the hotel, for 18 days, during the summer of 1996. which would be, what, a few

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:14:00

reporter: investigators determined that whoever operated the remote control which probably right there in the parking lot. so the person who set off the bomb was watching gary triano get in his car? yes, we had every reason to believe, from the injury patterns, that he was picking up the bag the device was in when detonated. that would make me believe that someone is watching, and that he is on to it. and we have to detonate it now, before he realizes and has a chance to escape. reporter: clearly, the killer had to know something about triano s daily routine. but detective james gamber soon discovered that a lot of people did. he had virtually no sense of personal security. he never locked his car, wouldn t lock his house. so someone with intel or information on gary s lifestyle could easily have set him up. and it appeared someone had checked on gary s whereabouts that day. what was interesting is that the day of the murder, someone called and asked if he was

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:07:00

he talked with the bartender there. i said is michael there? please tell me he s. there and he said missy, i m sorry, what i m so sorry. that s a hell of a way to find out. yes, we they found out by seeing it on the news. it was a very powerful bomb, a powerful explosion. melissa raced down sunrise drive to the scene. i got out of the car and i started running towards my uncle s car. and detective james gamber came running up and grabbed me. and stopped me from getting closer. reporter: detective james gamber was one of the first at the scene. it was his second homicide case ever. i was doing dishes after dinner and i got a call that there had been a car bomb that la paloma, you need to go up there.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:17:00

said, he cost me money, he owed me money. but was it enough for me to kill him? no. reporter: well not so fast, detective james gamber didn t know it at the time but fbi agents following the same trail had heard the name neil mcneice. the bureau received a tip that neil mcneice had experience with high explosives and that he had access to them. and that he had a foul temper. and that he had a lot of money. but that was not the end of it. the bureau was also told that neil mcneice carried a profound hatred of gary triano. detective james gamber s supervisor back then was keith st. john. and you had his name from two different sources. one of which was the fbi? yes. and you never talk to him? no. it would be years before investigators realize how

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:08:00

what he saw may have rattled a far more seasoned detective. the roof had been peeled off the car, laying behind the car, and the windshield was gone. we found that the next day in the swimming pool of the country club. how far away? i would estimate 70 feet away, and had to go over some trees probably 20 tall. i m guessing that it was pretty clear that this was not an accident. this was not something wrong with the car. correct. he was dead, what, instantly? yes. the gold watch around gary triano s frozen time at 5:38 pm. his family and friends didn t know what to think. who could have done this? and why? coming up . the person who set off the bomb was watching gary triano get have s car? they re watching and saying, he s on it. and the motive? what might that be?

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