In south africa is loosening. He will relinquish leadership of the anc at the end of year. And whether he will complete his term as south africas president is uncertain, as allegations of cronyism and corruption pile up around his government. My guest to day it is thuli madonsela, south africas Public Protector until late last year. She exposed a web of worrying connections between the state and big business interests. But are her concerns about to be buried . Thuli madonsela, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you for being here stephen. It is such a honour. Well, i think we have to begin with that explosive report that you wrote and published before leaving the office of Public Protector at the end of last year. It was all about your concerns about State Capture. The idea was that certain big business interest, perhaps individuals, had undue influence on the government. You wanted a fully fledged Judicial Commission of inquiry to be set up within 30 days of your reports publication. Seven mo
In south africa is loosening. He will relinquish leadership of the anc at the end of year. And whether he will complete his term as south africas president is uncertain, as allegations of cronyism and corruption pile up around his government. My guest to day it is thuli madonsela, south africas Public Protector until late last year. She exposed a web of worrying connections between the state and big business interests. But are her concerns about to be buried . Thuli madonsela, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you for being here stephen. It is such a honour. Well, i think we have to begin with that explosive report that you wrote and published before leaving the office of Public Protector at the end of last year. It was all about your concerns about State Capture. The idea was that certain big business interest, perhaps individuals, had undue influence on the government. You wanted a fully fledged Judicial Commission of inquiry to be set up within 30 days of your reports publication. Seven mo
Im stephen sackur. For more than two decades, the anc has been south africas impregnable political structure, but now cracks are appearing. At least 30 anc mps defied the party whip and supported a No Confidence Motion against party leader and National President , jacob zuma. Cue bitter recriminations. My guest today is pravin gordhan, the man President Zuma sacked as Finance Minister in controversial circumstances earlier this year. Does the anc need to be broken up to enable south africa to thrive . Pravin gordhan, in johannesburg, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Long distance as it might be. Lets consider what is happening in your country today and particularly the fallout from the motion of No Confidence against president jacob zuma, which didnt succeed, but got 177 votes, which was significant. It clearly included a substantial number of anc mps. How toxic is the atmosphere inside the anc as a result of that vote . There certainly is an active debate and d
Im stephen sackur. For more than two decades, the anc has been south africas impregnable political structure, but now cracks are appearing. At least 30 anc mps defied the party whip and supported a No Confidence Motion against party leader and National President , jacob zuma. Cue bitter recriminations. My guest today is pravin gordhan, the man President Zuma sacked as Finance Minister in controversial circumstances earlier this year. Does the anc need to be broken up to enable south africa to thrive . Pravin gordhan, in johannesburg, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Long distance as it might be. Lets consider what is happening in your country today and particularly the fallout from the motion of No Confidence against president jacob zuma, which didnt succeed, but got 177 votes, which was significant. It clearly included a substantial number of anc mps. How toxic is the atmosphere inside the anc as a result of that vote . There certainly is an active debate and d
Im stephen sackur. For more than two decades, the anc has been south africas impregnable political structure, but now cracks are appearing. At least 30 anc mps defied the party whip and supported a No Confidence Motion against party leader and National President , jacob zuma. Cue bitter recriminations. My guest today is pravin gordhan, the man President Zuma sacked as Finance Minister in controversial circumstances earlier this year. Does the anc need to be broken up to enable south africa to thrive . Pravin gordhan, in johannesburg, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Long distance as it might be. Lets consider what is happening in your country today and particularly the fallout from the motion of No Confidence against president jacob zuma, which didnt succeed, but got 177 votes, which was significant. It clearly included a substantial number of anc mps. How toxic is the atmosphere inside the anc as a result of that vote . There certainly is an active debate and d