intent. what was his intent? was this a good faith effort to get to the facts of the election? did he really believe that he won and he was simply trying to get the votes counted? or was this just the use of whatever tool at his disposal to overturn an election that he lost? right. and the biggest tool is jeffrey clark, by the way. correct. in more ways than one. sorry. i ve been here all week. the, but, but the, that comment suggests, in a very direct way, that he knows he s lost, and that all he wants to do is keep the balls in the air so that it can go to the house republicans who can, who can take, take over from that point. that is so devastating to trump. it also, his failure with the department of justice then shows you how awful january 6, i mean, as if it wasn t awful
but the idea of why they are doing it here in anticipation of what s going on is what s shocking in this instance. well, there s a process for pardons, and you ve seen former presidents go through it. i mean, it s a long process. you come up with lists of people, people suggest people who might but it doesn t have to be. it doesn t have to be. but this notion of mass pardons in advance of being accused of any crime is kind of stunning and shocking to me. because all of these people seem to think, as you were saying, but there s something wrong here. scott. the congress person who seems to be the one who brought jeffrey clark into the orbit of president trump. he seems to be the one who brought clark over. right. and he cannot with a statement just denying it out right, get one testify under oath. i think mo brooks is statement is the most telling. i think for someone like mo brooks, that s what he actually thinks. the same person is cooperating with the trumpet decision t
in advance of being accused of any crime is kind of stunning and shocking to me because all of these people seem to think, as you were saying, that there s something wrong here. scott perry is the congress person who seemed to be the one who brought jeffrey clark into the orbit of president trump. he seems to be the one who brought clark over. right, and he came out with a statement just denying it outright, yet won t testify under oath. i actually think mo brooks statement is the most telling. the same person who was cooperating with the trump administration to try to weaponize all aspects of government to hold on to power was, himself, now saying, oh, well i thought the incoming administration might politically do that. i think for some of these members, that s actually how they view it. i think we can t lose that in this discussion. we live in a split screen in america. today showed some people live in a different reality than we do, a different fact environment where it s just
fascinating to see the, the department pushed back against him, and we see how close they came. i thought what was also really interesting was liz cheney s final thoughts, right? there is an attempt by this committee, obviously, to show the american public that trump knew that he lost. there is an attempt to change minds, change the hearts and minds, particularly of republicans. you have liz cheney, a republican on the committee saying directly to republicans, listen. these are republicans who are telling you trump knew that he lost. these are trump loyalists, people that he put in power, and you have to come to terms with the fact that he deceived you. that he abused your trust, and that is a fact. whether or not she actually changes hearts and minds of the people who are true believers, we ll see. they have to be watching is the issue. in, everyone. stay with us. we still have a lot more to discuss in it, including that raid we mentioned earlier at the home of jeffrey clark, the
hearing when we learned that the white house was prematurely referring to jeffrey clark is acting attorney general. take a listen here. white house call logs obtained by the committee show that by 4:19 p.m. on january 3rd, the white house had already begun referring to mr. clark as the acting attorney general. as far as the white house was concerned, mr. clark was already at the top of the justice department. that shows that if rosen and donoghue hadn t taken the stand, this would ve happened. in the might of donald trump, encouraged by somebody like scott perry, introduces this white house to jeffrey clark, who isn t really known to this white house before. you have rudy giuliani saying, listen, we need somebody in that position who will do the president spitting. so the president finds jeffrey clark , who is willing to help the president stay in power and orchestrate this corrupt plan.