surveillance. you obviously have testimony. this is an overwhelmingly devastating indictment that demonstrated donald trump believed the law does not apply to him and that he would do anything he could to conceal and maintain possession of highly, highly classified national security information that would jeopardize our national security and would jeopardize the good men and women of the united states intelligence community who risked their lives to gather that information. this is of serious, serious importance to our national security. dan goldman, former federal prosecutor. appreciate your time. thank you, dana. my next guest said he d pardon donald trump if he s elected president, but now that he s actually read the trump indictment, does he feel any differently? republican candidate vivek ramaswamy is here next. .designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder - that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius!
to not this level of specificity and detail. it s obviously a very solid indictment. the grand jury found probable cause for it. i do think jack smith will have a challenging time making the case in court, not because the facts are weak, but simply because you re going after a former president and you just have one juror that happens to be a trump supporter or happens to be of a different viewpoint. you re not going to be able to get a conviction, and so this is a challenging case for the government and it will be interesting to see how it proceeds forward. you know, this is unprecedented time. whenever you think about the president of the united states and you think about the former president who is running for office who is under indictment and continues under investigation, and this is a challenging time for our country and we need to take a deep breath and let the criminal
dana, the standard is clear. the standard is navy versus egan a 1988 case a unanimous decision by the court and said the president s ability to classify and control access to national security information flows from the constitution. he decides. he alone decides. he said he didn t classify this material and he can put it wherever he wants and he can handle it wherever he wants and that s the law and that s the standard and jack smith can do these 37 counts and whatever he wants to do, but that doesn t change the standard at the supreme court in the unanimous decision said was that. he can classify and he can control access. he has the sole authority. in this indictment he states on at least one occasion that he did not declassify the information when he s showing a document to somebody that doesn t have security clearance, i might add. he says explicitly that it was
president. these are questions for the courts. i m not substituting my opinion for the judgment of the court. those distinctions did not even appear in this indictment to me wreak of politicization which is why i am deeply skeptical of the face value claim that the white house wasn t involved and that s what i want to get to the bottom of. vivek ramaswamy, candidate for the republican nomination, thank you for your time. thank you, dana. my next guest is also running for the republican nomination and a slightly different case on the case against donald trump. asa hutchinson joins me after a quick break. my most important kitchen tool?
ask about what we are hearing from some members of your party alluding to possible violence after this indictment. congressman andy bigg says we re entering a, quote, war phase. congressman clay higgins tweeted cryptic references to possible war plans, kerry lake said the doj will have to go through millions of nra members to trump. would you be clear that no americans should be violent? of course we don t want violence. i condemned it when it happened on van january 6th. it would have been nice if the left would have done the same because what i saw, frankly i saw it on your network. i saw reporters standing in front of a burning building saying it s mostly peaceful protests, and let s condemn the violence every time it happens and let s have the rule of lu and let s have equal application of the law and that s what our great country is supposed to be about and in this administration they re trampling the