two cardinal pitch shobishops. it s the oath of obedience to the father. i want to bring john allen in. i don t know if he can answer this question, but i m going to ask it anyway. what do you think is going through pope francis s mind right now? well, zoraida, this takes us deep into armchair psychology, of course, which is always dangerous. first of all, this is an extraordinarily simple, humble man who i think is doing everything he possibly can to humanize this office. at one level you have to imagine he s a little uncomfortable. i m going to interrupt you for one second. we re hearing from pope francis.