for that on a personal basis. are we really going to say catholics cannot practice their religion? it s a debate worth having but why attach it to a government spending bill where these passions on both sides of this issue will affect the crab fishermen? i think this is the reason. because when they first came out, the catholic bishops, for example, the head of the archdiocese for military services, read a letter that he wanted read to troops all around the world, he said we will not, we cannot comply with this unjust law. many other catholic bishops said that. it s almost two years ago. in the final regulation, the administration is not only coercing the catholic church and catholic institutions but individual catholics. if it s not attached, either to the c.r. or debt limit, it takes effect on january 1st, 2014. we only have about a minute left. i want to move to the value voter summit. dana, what struck you when you watched it today? for me it was just the hero welcome for ted
libertarian isolationist view. he has his hands full when, you know, taking on john mccain. it s going to provide endless entertainment. and unlike, you know. the weiner scandal you were just talking about, it s at least a substantive one. you know, it serves to it s a debate worth having. and i think when the new republic questioned john mccain about who he would support in 2016, hillary clinton versus rand paul, he said something about how he d have to think about it or make up his mind. so that s a pretty strong statement. thanks very much, jackie. good to see you and chris cillizza and of course our own kelly o donnell. sleeping on the job and special treatment for family members, that s a few examples of misconduct investigating the transportation security administration. today a house subcommittee questioned tsa administrators. nbc justice correspondent pete williams joins me now. pete, obviously the tsa not the most popular agency among most
got a little bit personal between the two because, frankly, this is a debate worth having. it s an important debate, and it s not particularly a partisan debate. the majority of democrats actually voted with rand paul on this issue and against barack obama and their own leadership in the house. the majority of republicans actually supported the president s position. how did you vote on this one? i voted in favor of keeping the nsa program. i think we re going to review it and change it probably, but this would have ended it. you re talking about we ve stopped over 50 attacks. every member in both parties who served on the intelligence committee voted in favor of this. my friend tom coburn, who serves on it now, delivered a spirited defense of this program. i m going to go with the people that actually know the program and looked at it. but, look, i actually applaud the people that brought up the other concerns because this is a big debate. this is the classic debate in america betw
ourselves in the national security front to the detriment of other things. it doesn t have to necessarily be bathtub deaths. but it could be government workplace deaths. it could be other things. now, of course, looming in the backdrop of that is that one incident in which a terrorist attack does take place and the casualty is much greater than any workplace casualty. however, if you look at the statistics, it is a debate worth having. and i think maybe this of all things, this will prompt that type of discussion. richard, the president sort of said continuity sort of say. said that whatever happens to ed snowden will be determined by the department of justice. a poll on asking a usa today pew research poll today asked if snowden should be criminally prosecuted. 54% of respondents said yes. 38% say no. that said, i think because of the public the public profile that ed snowden has created for himself, this is not an open and shut case of traitor, not traitor. and you also have
and i think there s a legitimate mathematical argument to be made that we re overextending ourselves in the national security front to the detriment of other things. it doesn t have to necessarily be bathtub deaths. but it could be government workplace deaths. it could be other things. now, of course, looming in the backdrop of that is that one incident in which a terrorist attack does take place and the casualty is much greater than any workplace casualty. however, if you look at the statistics, it is a debate worth having. and i think maybe this of all things, this will prompt that type of discussion. richard, the president sort of said continuity sort of say. said that whatever happens to ed snowden will be determined by the department of justice. a poll on asking a usa today pew research poll today asked if snowden should be criminally prosecuted. 54% of respondents said yes. 38% say no. that said, i think because of the public the public profile that ed snowden has created