breached from two entry points. that was probably a trigger. going back to the negotiation phase of it, this guy may have already had in his mind that, i m going to do the martyr s death. you call it in the states suicide by cop. that may have been his intention all along. he may have advised the on-scene commander that this guy is going out one way and one way only. and when the hostages had the chance to escape, it prompted something that launched the mission to go in and rescue the surviving. sadly enough, two of the hostages were killed in the process. for those just tuning in and seeing the imagine on the right side of your screen, we are awaiting remarks from the prime minister of australia, tony abbott, and we ll bring those to you live when he steps up to the podium. but i want to continue my conversation with daniel, former navy s.e.a.l. member of the hostage working group in iraq.