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Transcripts for CNN Erin Burnett OutFront 20240604 23:05:00

Relationship with its allies, particularly those that banned the use of cluster munitions. over 100 countries have done so. the u.s. says it s confident they have managed to reassure allies that this is what ukraine needs right now. national security advisor sullivan sought to draw distensions between how russia and ukraine are using them on the battlefield. russia does have cluster munitions. importantly, the dud rate in terms of how many of those little bomblets that scatter actually explode, actually do not explode is much higher than the dud rate of the munitions the u.s. would provide. what does that mean? the risk posed to civilians in the longer term by the russian cluster munitions is greater than those that would be posed by the ones that are going to be provided by the u.s. the u.s. is drawing a disti distinction. the ukrainians are defending their own territory. the rush slansians are using th

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Transcripts for CNN Erin Burnett OutFront 20240604 23:06:00

Attack. we should note, the u.s. and its allies are focussed on belarus. they are looking for signs. fighter are amassing there. looking to determine whether russia sent its tactical nuclear weapons there. matthew chance is reporting on where the wagner fighters would be stationed. reporter: this is the closest we have ever come to a wagner camp. not in russia nor the ukrainian front lines, but standing empty for now in belarus. this is where we thought that wagner soldiers invited to belarus could be housed. a vast tent city that this military use about 100 kilometers outside of the belarusian capital in tents like these that have been set up to house a couple dozen fighters at any given time. for the most part, empty at the

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Transcripts for CNN Erin Burnett OutFront 20240604 23:12:00

It. russia has forced ukraine s hand with this brutal and unending invasion. that s, i think, the problem way to look at this difficult decision. tomorrow is two weeks since prigozhin ended his armed rebellion and two weeks since he was last seen in public. we were told he was in belarus. lukashenko said he is in russia. the kremlin isn t commenting. how concerning is it that no one seems to know exactly where he is? look, i mean for prigozhin and his supporters, it s very concerning. for the rest of us, we might have a different look at that. the concerning thing is the instability in russia, what it means for the war in ukraine and what it means for where the russian government is going to go in the future. we want to have a reliable partner to ultimately negotiate a peace on this. the instability in russia is undermining that.

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Transcripts for CNN Erin Burnett OutFront 20240604 23:10:00

Send these weapons. but because the russian invasion persists, we are getting to the point where they are flneeded t provide to ukraine to retake their territory. tough decision but the right decision. tough but the right one. as you know, a number of your fellow democrats don t agree. your colleague from pennsylvania saying, quote, i challenge the notion that these weapons are the most effective support we can provide ukraine right now. i challenge the notion that we should employ the same tactics russian is using, blurring the lines of moral high ground. are you concerned about the u.s. ability to claim the moral high ground after reversing course on these weapons? no. i am not remotely concerned about the ability of the u.s. to claim or ukraine to claim the moral eye ground. russia invaded ukraine, unprovoked. ukraine posed no threat to russia. they have innovated them.

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Transcripts for CNN Erin Burnett OutFront 20240604 23:04:00

Destroyed under enemy mortar fire as well as cluster munition. we were there without air and artillery support. i want to get to our national security reporter. you reported a week ago that the biden administration was seriously considering sending cluster munitions to ukraine. today, they made it official. also, really sought to draw a distinction between how russia uses this and how ukraine is using them and plans to use them. what more have you learned? what we saw today from the white house and pentagon was a full-throated defense of this decision to send ukraine these very controversial munitions. we heard from jake sullivan who said that without these cluster munitions, the u.s. is very worried that ukraine might not have enough artillery ammunition to actually get through the rest of the counteroffensive and successfully prosecute this war against russia. of course, this has serious implications for the u.s.

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