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that the russians he gave the russians a list of things that are off limits including critical infrastructure. that seems odd, and why would that say it that gave him a particular list of sectors that were off-limits? and what will he do if to become a unlimited? he gave a list of critical infrastructure. what are the consequences going to be if they decide to approach the redline? i don t think president biden had a good answer. then the whole country wins and i didn t see that today. john: if president biden gave president putin a list, he didn t seem to pay a whole lot of attention to it because he said russia, cyber hacking?
president trump who has said so many times over the years, you never plead the fifth. you never run and hide. if you ve got something to say, you go and say it. and now he s not following his own advice. well, i think that s absurd. i think that sometimes it s in your client s best interest to plead the fifth. i think lawyers are giving donald trump not rudy giuliani, but lawyers giving donald trump sound advice not to sit down with mueller because they know their client. but to simply just say these are one-offs, i mean papadopoulos, let s talk about all of the liars that they have from the president of the united states, papadopoulos, michael flynn, rick gates, paul manafort, jeff sessions, melania trump and her plagiarism. i mean the list goes on and on and on. so this isn t a one-off. this is a culture in the white house. and so right now that culture is meeting the rule of law. and all donald trump has is his bully pulpit where he s going to stand up and say i m going to take
rick gates, paul manafort, jeff sessions, melania trump and her plagiarism. i mean the list goes on and on and on. so this isn t a one-off. this is a culture in the white house. and so right now that culture is meeting the rule of law. and all donald trump has is his bully pulpit where he s going to stand up and say i m going to take over the investigation. i m going to do this. i m going to do that. but the rule of law in this country wins. so we can have these as i nine or absurd debates about what truth is. to quote stephen colbert, truthiness. we can have all of these fickle debates but the point is the truth is what it is. and donald trump and his white house have a culture of not telling the truth. when you sit down across because i ve been in this room many times before across from a federal investigator, i remind my clients all the time. martha stewart did not go to jail for insider trading. martha stewart went to jail for lying to federal investigators. every single one of
he believes if he can look at somebody and look at them in the eye that he can win. and we don t actually know what was said during the actual summit. so-called summit. because nobody was there except for some translators and the principals. but donald trump believes that if he can talk to somebody, that he can persuade them and he can win. i think that s a naive idea, that you can persuade a former kgb agent who has been president of his country a lot longer than president trump has been president of america, and that s what he believes. does he win or is it this country wins? i mean, you know, or is there even a separation in the way in which this president is thinking? i mean, i think that s a very important point. and i think donald trump views a lot of this in terms of his own ego. and, in fact, some people say donald trump has been compromised. well, that s one potential excuse for his behavior in