i feel good we ll hit those before the deadline. when it comes to the pledge, donald trump has president even agreed to sign the pledge. we want to make sure we hit those requirements and force this conversation with the rnc. if your viewers want to make sure that conversation is had go to hurdforamerica.com, donate at least $1.00 to help me make the debate stage. let s say you do make the debate stage. obviously a very different dynamic if donald trump is there or not, a very different dynamic if he decides to counterprogram. let s take your strategy because your strategy has been to say why donald trump would not be a good candidate. it s a similar strategy we have seen from a couple of other people, chris christie and asa hutchinson. it has president had a real impact in the polls. do you believe the debate stage is a place where someone could, for lack of a better phrase, break out and maybe really challenge donald trump? the debate stage is one step.
former president signs it to get on the debate stage, it doesn t mean there s enough evidence. we ve seen this play out before. it doesn t mean he s going to actually hold true to it and support the eventual nominee if it isn t him. i think right now, i d be surprised if the former president actually joins the debate stage. he has said over and over again to paul s point, that he doesn t think it would help him, he s so far ahead in the polls. he s threatened to counterprogram. when i talk to republican strategists across swing states they say, look, trump could just drop in somewhere, command a crowd of thousands, and that s all he needs to do. he doesn t have to be there every day the way other candidates do. these candidates are all looking for their breakout moment. oh, nikki haley. oh oh, ron desantis. vivek ramaswamy started rapping at the fair. a tribute to eminem.
what does he have to gain? i agree with that. there is no political upside for him. he is running from the position as, quote, an incumbent, if you will. he is still the tich lar head of the republican party because the base affirms that, not just in polling but in their ongoing support for him. so when you re looking at going into a debate scenario, the question for any candidate is where do i gain from this? everybody else except for trump, their gain is to show they re presidential, show their ability to take on the front-runner and to carve out a message that s different from the others. for trump, he s got the brand. he s got the message. he already has the carve out. he s sitting at 30 points. why would he give that? what he likely will do is counterprogram. that is offer an event for others to watch and participate in, meaning his base, as opposed
to being regaled by his challengers. there s more upside than downside for trump to not be on that stage in august. in fact, on truth social just yesterday he claimed so many people have suggested he should debate tucker carlson on that same night to counterprogram. do you think that just might happen? if he s suggesting that, that means someone is thinking about it. that means there are conversations around it. i won t say it s likely to happen, but that gives you a sense of how donald trump is looking at counterprogramming. he knows what s going to pull the audience. he knows what s going to pull the media. think about it. which objectively do you think will be the most interesting and intriguing? that s the problem that these candidates have which, again, is why they need to clearly state their line of attack on trump
forth going on i think one of the extraordinary elements of this is the fact that bragg seems to have gotten, according to the court filing, a thousand threats from his office from mr. trump and some of his supporters you know, and jordan is intending to have a hearing in new york next week, i believe, maybe at the javits center, is the report i ve heard. with really the same intent that marjorie taylor greene had on the day of the arraignment, to counterprogram and to sort of, in their view, take the fight into the democrats hornet s nest and i think what bragg is doing here is attempting to let mr. jordan and other people know that you can t really come on to their turf in new york city and get away with this without a fight. you know, glenn, it also, i