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transformative and pelosi knows it. i think that is what she was speaking to when she was kind of alluding to, you know, i think people are making more of that than they should maybe. in my 20 years i never saw 1.5, 2 trillion, $3.5 trillion package before us. this is twice the size of the affordable care act. it is monumental and transformative. forget the process maybe. it s about the product. at the end of the day there will be a great product out of washington d.c. sam stein, how did they get themselves sort of wrapped around an axel here talking about trillions ofd and what s paid for, what s not paid for, but have not until the last couple days been talking about what is in these bills in. right. maybe they need some of the pixie dust that congressman crowley was talking about to get out of the axel. part of this is just a matter of sequencing. in order to move the bipartisan infrastructure bill, house
her members the giant reconciliation bill she is fighting for will be the culmination of her time in congress. high stakes indeed. though she is not saying so certainly a hint this could be her final term. joining us now is former congressmen joe cowley from new york. joe crowley, talk to me about what nancy pelosi is doing, this high wire act. is she going to come out on the other side? people are looking for pixie dust or special sauce. it doesn t exist. what she has is decades of experience. she knows her members. she knows their districts. she knows the politics of those districts. she has seen those changes that have taken place. that is all in that mind of hers and she is going to use the next hours to try to, you know, pull this all together. i think the news from the senate in terms of today, manchin, a starting point $1.5 trillion. no matter what this is
somewhere in manchin s range is what of the policy priorities are they willing to sacrifice and how? is it means testing? is it limiting the amount spent? is it lessening the budget window? those are huge discussions to have on any one component. but we re going to have them on four or five or six or even eight components. a key factor is shortening the duration of the bill making it a five-year bill not a ten-year so therefore you cut in half the amount of money. joe crowley, have we seen president biden as a real facilitator, mediator, you know, getting it done? or has he been laying back and letting nancy pelosi corral these folks? i think there is a lot behind the scenes going on. we saw it last night at the baseball game. a lot of discussions going on. i think there is back and forth. maybe not as public as we would like to see. but i think that the president has a role to play and will play
there. hakeem jeffries, the leadership team is out there working doing wh they need to do to get this bill over the line whether today, tomorrow, or next week. it will get done at some point. definitely will get done. joe crowley watching the sausage being made is not great but at least nancy pelosi s idea of fun. sam stein, this is my idea of fun being out here on capitol hill actually with members and former members and senators and back where my roots were covering congress. i love it. thanks to all of you. thanks to everyone who helped put this together. that does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. follow us online, on facebook, and on twitter @mitchellreports. chuck todd is up next with mtp daily right here on msnbc.
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