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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 02:12:00

lauro could get this far into this case and somehow believe what john eastman says in writing, that he never believed, john eastman says he never believed, that it was legal for mike pence to pause the counting of electoral votes. john lauro had a completely competent and professional first day in court with donald trump. i read the transcript of it. he was flawless in the courtroom. and then he went on tv. and blew the case. john lauro, remember, is many thousands of times brighter than donald trump. but he still not smart enough to answer a fox performers easy questions about on trump. so manage a donald trump trying to answer questions in his own defense, on a witness stand, under oath, be cross-examined by jack smith s criminal trial team. john lauro trying to make sense

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:10:00

that, when donald trump was saying those things, he was saying them on the advice of his, lawyer john eastman another easily dismiss-able defense, eastman being a coconspirator sir but it sounded like the only thing that john lauro could say if he was going to do television interviews the wisest course for john lauro was to say nothing today on the single most important day of his life as a lawyer. as he stood next to a former president of the united states being arraigned for federal crimes in washington, d. c., in the full throes of the excitement of the day, john lauro decided to do one more tv interview. and in that interview with a friendly network he made the single biggest public mistake a criminal defense lawyer can possibly make. he offered a quoted version of

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:07:00

the pause that donald trump s criminal defense lawyer says donald trump was asking for was a crime and it was the very last crime that donald trump and his coconspirators asked vice president to commit. they asked him to commit the crime many times. but the very last time donald trump and his coconspirators asked mike pence to commit that crime was not before mike pence went to the capitol on january six to preside over electoral college vote count ceremony. it was at 11:44 pm on january 6th, after the trump mob attacked the capitol, attacked police officers, said they wanted to kill mike pence, so they wanted to kill nancy pelosi. after the was capitol under attack for hours on end with donald trump doing nothing to stop it, hours after the trump criminal mob was driven out of the capitol building and in the middle of a congress s continuation of the official process of counting the electoral votes, at 11:44 pm, john eastman put his latest

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:05:00

heard him donald trump s lawyer said tonight on television, what president trump said is, let s go with option b. d. let s just halt. let s just pause the voting and allow the state legislatures to take one last look and make a determination as to whether or not the elections are handled fairly. that is essentially what jack smith is accusing donald trump of having said. the indictment says that when vice president mike pence challenged john eastman on the legality of that idea in that meeting, quote, coconspirator john eastman responded, well nobody s tested it before. the vice president and told the defendant, donald trump, did you hear that? even your own counsel is not saying i have that authority. the defendant, donald trump, responded, that s okay. i prefer the other suggestion, of the vice president rejecting the electors unilaterally.

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:06:00

donald trump s criminal defense lawyer tonight on television in effect admitted that the indictment is an accurate description of that meeting. professor eastman laid out a series of options that were discussed with vice president pence. vice president pence disagreed on certain issues. but ultimately what president trump said is, let s go with option d. let s just halt, let s just pause the voting and allow the state legislatures to take one last look and make a determination as to whether or not the elections were handled fairly. wow. john eastman knew that it would be a crime to do that. and john eastman said in writing that it would be a crime to do that. what donald trump was asking mike pence to do and what donald trump s criminal defense lawyer tonight admits admits on television, that donald trump was asking mike pence to do.

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