he is not the president s lawyer. he is the white house counsel. he represents the institution. now, i they he wants to make sure they re not doing anything that will hurt presidents in the future. that s the balance. there should be a good, vigorous debate and ultimately they ll make the recommendation to the president s president. martha: he thought bannon was the biggest mistake, to let them have a special prosecutor now. the likelihood that this will be the entire first term is very large. sure. i was reluctant to see a special prosecutor appointed, because it becomes a cottage industry. they have to find something, even though what they initially lookedill clinton didn t meet monica lewinsky until 19 months after they were appointed. so it is very lureluctant. steve bannon was in the white house when they gave the president all kinds of advice