oldest, born in 1706. he knows cotton mather and the died in 1790. he signs both the declaration of independence and the constitution. the last to die was james madison. he is born in 1751, and then he do is in 1836. 85 years old. so, he has seen the fight over missouri being admitted to the union. he sees nullification crisis but he is the last one. aaron byrd. but that s the other side. the dark side. host: in 2006, you wrote wow what would the founders do, wwfd, and in that book you write: the founders invite our questions now because they invited discussion when they lived. they were argumentative, expansive know it alls, hanging their ideas out to dry in public speeches and in journalism. guest: that s right. they set up a republic and they re very proud of doing that, and this is unique virtually unique in the world. there were holland had been kind of a republic but that was going down the tubes so this was a unique form of government, and compared to all the