the priority finding out if amri mhas a network of supporters. at the train station, i see at least three security cameras making it possible that anis amri s final moments were caught on camera. dara? hans nichols from milan. chris dicky, foreign editor for the daily beast and msnbc contributor. great to have you here. the attacker was on the radar of local german authorities and known to the u.s. intelligence officials. even listed on the no-fly list. seems inexplicable that he slipped through the cracks. so much so that he was able to undertake the attack. is it inexplicable? it s explicable but doesn t make you feel better to explain it. they started monitoring him in march. they were listening to his phone conversations in germany. they heard him talking about plotting an attack. but when they went to get a warrant to follow him and to pursue him over the months of
and in order to get what they need, there s going to have to be really very massive monitoring and collection of phone conversations, internet communications, and so on. specifically almost all the terror attacks we ve seen plotted, thwarted, and carried out in europe over the last year have been coordinated by the so-called islamic state over an encrypted messaging system that you and i could have on our phones. in fact, i have it on my phone called telegram. using that system, these terrorists have been able to evade some of the most sophisticated monitoring that exists in the world. chris, if the u.s. had similar surveillance on a suspect like this, everything was the same, would the u.s. have been able to stop such an attack, or would he not have been able to slip through the cracks here? well, i think the u.s. has done a very good job so far and has been lucky on other
started shooting. the rookie shot back and killed him. and chris, do you see a conflict between counterterrorism efforts and desire for limited government surveillance when it comes to cases like this berlin truck attack? sure. there s a huge conflict. people need to understand much better what surveillance is all about. first of all, we need to understand that in the world of the internet, in the world of fiber optic cables carrying huge volumes of signals, basically the only thing at that intelligence services can do is try and pick up everything and then filter out what they don t need. now, if you want to protest against surveillance, you can say, well, they re monitoring all of us. that isn t the case. yes, they re picking up just about all of our communications, but they have to figure out ways to get just the people they want. we re long past the time when there was a wire that you could tap that went to a phone people had in their bedrooms next to their beds. that s not the