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Transcripts for CNN Erin Burnett OutFront 20240604 23:23:00

codefendants. if kenneth cheseboro gets this october 3rd trial date, which is the current order of the court, then trump, as a legal matter, does get to preview the entirety of the prosecutor s case against cheseboro, and in his lawyers will be able to much better prepare themselves in the eventuality of when he s tried. of course, they also get to see all the witnesses. they can figure out if there are any discrepancies between the cheseboro statements and the witness . of course, if that trial were to result in an acquittal, they would be very significant results for him, but if the trial were to result in a conviction, that would put him in significant jeopardy. of course, the other question for him, and any trial, is jury notification. whether or not the jurors, even if they seek help, would say, no, not for him. anyone of them doing that would prevent a conviction, and you can imagine they might be morally able to nullify the presidential election them post- presidential election.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:06:00

cases against donald trump so far. i m going to call it manic monday because we ve got two major proceedings that will decide the when and where. first, in washington, d.c., where judge tanya chutkan will decide whether jack smith s case will be tried. that ll be the whole ball game in some respects. here on monday, we re also going to have mark meadows removal hearing, where he makes a case for why this indictment in fulton county, georgia, should instead be moved to a federal district court, where he hopes to slow things down and get a more advantageous jury pool. right now, the fulton county courthouse looks quiet, and it was this way yesterday, as well, but it is deceptive. the amount of activity on the docket yesterday was fast and furious. you also know that ken these cheseboro, one of donald trump s co-defendants, got the speedy trial of 2023, and that had to

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:10:00

how do we interpret that move? well, that was a, be careful what you wish for moment. fani willis is ready to go to trial. she s been investigating this thing for two years. presumably, they have not just investigated the case but prepared their trial strategy, considered their witness list. but here s the thing, donald trump is not going to go to trial in october. he is fighting. he doesn t want a speedy trial in this case. and a lot of legal experts i talk to fear that because of the number of defendants in this case in fulton county, it really could get bogged down. there is a racketeering case that fani willis is prosecuting right now, where it s taken eight months and they still haven t picked a jury. so, unfortunately, this office doesn t have a great track record of getting cases to trial quickly. and, you know, the lawyers in this one are going to take every opportunity, apparently except for mr. cheseboro, to slow things down. for mr. trump, delay is victory

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:08:00

case be severed from cheseboro and any defendant asking for a speedy trial. the judge advised that, at this time, he would only expedite the trial date for cheseboro. dave aronberg, how do you see this, the timing of all these trials unfolding? obviously, trump s only real ability to run from the law, at least in the state of georgia, is to delay. good morning, mika. i think the case in d.c., in front of judge chutkan, is going to go first. she seems to want to go on the rocket docket. the rico case in atlanta, i think it ll be delayed, except for cheseboro, because it is a complex, 19-person case involving rico. don t expect that to go anytime soon. now, fani willis, my counterpart up there, mimi s counterpart in fulton county, she called

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:07:00

be weighing on the former president s mind as he was booked yesterday, as he was fingerprinted, had that indelible mugshot taken. he had to be thinking about, oh, my, right now, that trial order is against cheseboro alone. he told the court he opposes it, but when this trial will take place against donald trump remains to be seen. fani willis and her team have shown they re ready to play, and soon. all right. more on that trial set for less than two months. a judge approved the speedy trial request of former trump attorney kenneth cheseboro. the trial date has been set for october 23rd. cheseboro is accused of orchestrating the scheme to ele. his next court date is an arraignment scheduled for september 6th. d.a. fani willis initially proposed the october date for all 19 defendants in the case, including trump. that triggered a motion from trump s attorney, requesting his

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