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from nato? president biden: it would trigger a response in kind. trace: in kind means with equal force. do you believe that s what he meant by this? well, i would hope that s what he meant. i think that s if someone were to take that if they use chemicals we ll do the same. trace: chemical weapons against who. i want to clarify this. a lot of information that has been wrong and speculative. using chemicals weapons in ukraine against russian forces or going into russia. what are we talking about here? that s the question i think that everybody is really seeking in this. although the clarity from president biden s podium would be nice about what he means. there is a certain point where he can t really say exactly what we would do even if he does know. i would anticipate, though, that s more than likely something that would take place inside ukraine, not russia proper.

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