if he characterizes it in a materially different way from david holmes and others, that will be an interesting battleground. it s also possible that he has this revelation, corroborates what david holmes says. this is someone the president has relied upon in favor of him. if he changes his tune on that combine wed what we re learning tonight, that s really devastating on top of the july 25th call. i think it s a really big deal and i don t say that too often. i totally agree. stand by. susan, i want to read to you a paragraph from the opening statement from david holmes, the u.s. embassy official, in response to the criticism that republicans have levied, all these accusations are simply hearsay, second, thirdhand, no direct information. here s someone who hears the voice of the president on the cell phone conversation with the u.s. ambassador to the eu. i ll read this. as the current impeachment inquiry has progressed, i have followed press reports and reviewed statements that ambas
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ambassadors meetings. that meeting he went to with ambassador sondland for the two of them to grab a meal. that s very normal, but, of course, this key, key conversation here that he overheard was ambassador sondland speaking with president trump and president trump asking him about investigations. and then, ambassador sondland telling david holmes that president trump cares more about the investigations than he does about ukraine. he was the counselor for political affairs at the embassy. ambassador, charge d affaires and then there s the counselor for political affairs and he was a senior adviser to the ambassador. who else may have been listening in on that very controversial cell phone conversation that ambassador sondland, the ambassador to the european union had in ukraine with the president? right. and so that is the key here. ukraine is right next to russia. russia is known for having intelligence that can pick up almost every conversation that s happening in that country.
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cell phone conversation. but you know what? if the president of the united states is on a cell phone with the person and you re sitting with, i bet you d pay attention to that. i know i would. why didn t he tell us before. why didn t he tell anybody before? he s a foreign service officer. they have a tradition of discretion and maybe that s why didn t sondland tell us before? sondland is a whole different story. there you have the question of, was he lying to protect the president, and that will certainly come up when he testifies next week. he s shaping up to be, i think, the most dramatic witness of the whole extravaganza. i think we get an answer to the question of whether or not russia knew that money was being withheld. imagine how many phone calls russia has intercepted because sondland, giuliani, we know about all their phone conversations, all of their text exchanges. the russians clearly would have intercepted. we know they re notorious with neighboring ukraine
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election meddling, not russia. and then he went on to say the other thing, there s a lot of talk about biden s son. that biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. and that brings us to the new bombshell that taylor revealed yesterday. the very day after the ukraine call, he says an aide overheard a cell phone conversation at a kiev restaurant between president trump and gordon sondland. the ambassador to the european union. and what the aide learned directly ties the president to the heart of the entire ukraine scandal. a member of my staff could hear president trump on the phone asking ambassador sondland about the investigations. ambassador sondland told president trump the ukrainians were ready to move forward. following the call with president trump, the member of my staff asked ambassador sondland what president trump thought about ukraine.
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