of the war when they when they when they re elected him. well. do you know what it was? well, yeah, but the point is, it doesn t really matter. the point is, nixon, despite four years of vietnam policy, which was failed, he got re elected. that s my point. so i guess what i m saying is, as a whistle blower and as somebody who latter day whistle blowers like assange and chelsea manning and edward snowden always refer to what you did as a great example of why whistle blowing matters. but you could actually conclude that the whistle blowing you did in itself didn t really make a difference. well, i m not. i m agreeing with that. so i said, that s right. so why is whistle blowing so important? well, it can make a difference if, for example, if it s done in a timely way. catherine gunn in england. actually. we ve interviewed her on hardtalk. really?
by the way. but, no, but i want to continue this thought, because if you. that wasn t an endorsement of the war when they when they when they re elected him. well. do you know what it was? well, yeah, but the point is, it doesn t really matter. the point is, nixon, despite four years of vietnam policy, which was failed, he got re elected. that s my point. so i guess what i m saying is, as a whistle blower and as somebody who latter day whistle blowers like assange and chelsea manning and edward snowden always refer to what you did as a great example of why whistle blowing matters. but you could actually conclude that the whistle blowing you did in itself didn t really make a difference. well, i m not. i m agreeing with that. so i said, that s right. so why is whistle blowing so important? well, it can make a difference if, for example, if it s done in a timely way. catherine gunn in england. actually. we ve interviewed her on hardtalk. oh, really? she took a decision
catherine gunn in england. actually. we ve interviewed her on hardtalk. really? she took a decision to leak one crucial piece of information about the run up to the invasion of iraq. she revealed secret information that there were diplomatic efforts to put leverage on un diplomats to support the war. i don t know if you call it diplomatic information to tap their home phones. that s what she revealed. and tapped their office phones. that wasn t done by the state department. it was done by the national security agency. was calling on gchq, the british communications intelligence agency, for the nsa to tap the office and home phones of all the members of the security council. so that they would vote
catherine gunn in england. actually. we ve interviewed her on hardtalk. really? she took a decision to leak one crucial piece of information about the run up to the invasion of iraq. she revealed secret information that there were diplomatic efforts to put leverage on un diplomats to support the war. i don t know if you call it diplomatic information to tap their home phones. that s what she revealed. and tapped their office phones. that wasn t done by the state department. it was done by the national security agency. was calling on gchq, the british communications intelligence agency, for the nsa to tap the office and home phones of all the members of the security council. so that they would vote for a war that would otherwise be illegal and unjustified, illegitimate, a war of aggression like iraq. that was iraq. and actually, i think the very good movie about her did not bring out the fact that she did succeed in keeping