up this wild theory that ukraine was somehow responsible. and look, i think you ve got the intriguing angle on it here, which is if you are the russians and of course you know that you did it, but you want to create a little bit of uncertainty, why not have somebody like kilimnik, which by the way you didn t even mention, remember at this point paul manafort is actually sending trump campaign polling data to kilimnik, but why not have kilimnik just muddy the waters a little further and lo and behold, the president brings it up with the new president of ukraine in july of this year. that s i mean, the time, the elapsing of time here between somebody like kilimnik cooking this up, paul manafort amplifying it and starting to say yeah, let s posit this alternate view of what might have happened in terms of foreign election interference, that s all happening in 2016. here it is 201993 years later, and not only is that theory as ridiculous as it seems and as
indictment, the actual ip addresses that were used by the russians to hack into the dnc. it s all out there for people to read. and yet the president of the united states in a conversation with the new conversation of the ukraine brings up this wild theory that ukraine was somehow responsible. i think you ve got the intriguing angle on it here which is if you are the russians and of course you know that you did it but you want to create a little bit of uncertainty, why not have somebody like kilimnik which by the way you didn t mention paul manafort is sending trump campaign polling data to kilimnik but why not have kilimnik muddy the waters further and lo and behold the president brings it up with the new president of ukraine in july of this year. that s i mean, the time, the elapsing of time here between somebody like kilimnik cooking this up, paul manafort amplifying it and starting to
of internal trump campaign polling data. nonpublic proprietary information on the campaign s plans and strategy, particularly in key states in the industrial midwest that trump would go on to unexpectedly flip on his way to an election night victory in 2016. why did deripaska want that kind of granular information? manafort is known to have passed that data on to deripaska during the 2016 campaign through an intermediary who has himself now been charged by federal prosecutors, the intermediary manafort used to ship this stuff to deripaska is believed by the fbi to himself be linked to russian intelligence. so when it comes to what russia did and how russia messed with our election, deripaska is this key figure who is still a bit of a mystery. he definitely plugs into the manafort part of this scandal in a way that mueller s report essentially leaves as an open question. this is from mueller s report.
reason and good occasion to reup his longstanding relationship with that kremlin-connected oligarch, with oleg deripaska. one of deripaska s close aides told time magazine last year when manafort became trump s campaign chair, quote, he owed us a lot of money and he was offering ways to pay it back. we know from the mueller investigation that for some reason trump campaign chair paul manafort offered this russian-connected oligarch, oleg deripaska, he offered him private briefings on the trump campaign during the election. up to and including the still unexplained plot line from mueller s investigation. in which manafort is known to have shipped deripaska a whole bunch of internal trump campaign polling data, nonpublic, proprietary information on the campaign s plans and strategy, particularly in key states in the industrial midwest that trump would go on to unexpectedly flip on his way to
chairman paul manafort lied about meeting ez he had with someone with ties to russian intelligence, is that correct? that s true. your investigation was hampered by trump officials use of encryption communications, is that right? we believe that to be the case. you also believe to be the case that your investigation was hampered by the deletion of electronic messages, is that correct? it would be, yes. generally any case would be if those kinds of communications are used. for example, you noted that deputy campaign manager rick gates who shared internal campaign polling data with the person with ties to russian intelligence at the direction of manafort, that mr. gates deleted those communication on a daily basis, is that right? i don the know specifically, but if it s in the report, i support it. it s volume one page 136. thank you. in addition to that, other