that was the same year stone told democratic consultant hank sheinkopf that trump get this would be president one day. joining me now hank sheinkopf who obviously goes way back withstone. this is most curious, this 1985 thing. he had a very busy year, he and a football franchise, he was building casinos in atlantic city he was buying mar-a-lago was the presidency on trump s radar or was it just roger st e stone. stone was serious he looked at me and he said hank, trump for president. he s no stranger to politics so when a man says something like that to you, you pay clear attentio attention. politico is saying stone spearheaded trump s first political dalliance in 1987.
included that s right. that s the way to frame it which is the indictment in and of itself i agree is strong if these e-mails that it s citing in these texts indeed exist and certainly they do so that seems like a black-and-white open-and-shut case for the question of whether he lied to congress about various things but there is nothing in this indictment that alleges conspiracy with russia and wikileaks and that s the real question that we re all interested in, not whether roger stone is in legal jeopardy for having misled congress about certain conversations he had so it s rock solid and thin at the same time depending on what you re looking at it. why, jill, do you think conspiracy was not included? we have former federal prosecutor and msnbc contributor joyce vance put out a tweet citing broad discovery and, quote, by indicting stone on a
jerome corsi so he s not faced the choice yet of whether he will cooperate with mueller. i m curious stone appears confident that his lies to congress, that it was without intent while former good morning chris christie seems to disagree let s listen to christie. i did forget on some occasions that i had text messages and e-mails that are entirely exculpatory i will prove in court that any failure on memory of my part was without intent. if i had a neck for any defendant tell me when i was a u.s. attorney that it was out of context i d be a rich guy and i m not. he s got a problem his e-mails and text messages tell a pretty compelling story. does the memory lapses do they hold up in court?
the answer is yes. once he bites on to an idea it s hard to get him to loose that idea at all. is it out of the realm that he would put russia into the equation i don t think he s a traitor but people are doing things that are so outrageous and crazy in the interesti inof getting power do i think roger is silly enough to get himself in that kind of jam? if he did, he won t go down easily and he won t walk away in defeat if he can. there s a new yorker profile about roger stone back in 2008, jeffrey toobin wrote it and said that stone worked for donald trump as an occasional lobbyist around adviser when trump considered running for president in 2000. quote, roger is a stone cold loser, trump told me he always tries taking credit for things he never did. do you think that could play into some defense for stone with his legal troubles currently . i m not kpe tonight make legal judgments only political
when trump was focused stone was focused there was no better in determining how to win races. and what would be the least obvious thing people would do and that they might react the strongest to. do you think stone employed dirty tricks to get trump elected? and to what extent how far would he do go dirty tricks is a loaded word considering the number of people indicted so using dirty tricks is an idea would roger do most anything to get someone elected and win a campaign yes. would he be smarter about it than most? the answer is yes. would he be dogged