gave this morning, this afternoon, i did not know that president trump or others had raised vice president biden with ukrainians or had conflated the investigation of possible ukrainian corruption within investigation of the former vice president biden. you didn t know that burisma met biden. you didn t know. we have to go through it? you were there on may 23rd with the president when he said talk to rudy, and rudy sure cared about the investigators of this which you now know meant biden. i understood at the time that hunter biden and vice president biden s son had been up board member for burisma. you didn t read that as a request to investigate the bidens at that time. on july 10th, you were in not one, but two meetings on the white house where ambassador sondland raised the
he was not going to give security assistance, he was not going to get a white house meeting unless there was the investigation and i understand you missed that, you are out of the loop then. that is not correct. i was not in warsaw. excuse me. what you heard about it right after from sondland, is that right? no, that is not quite correct. it was sometime later. i got it. but now you know what it meant and you said, in retrospect, they should have seen that connection differently, and had i done so, i would have raised my own objections. that is correct. what are the objections you whatever is? that what i would have raised is that people are conflating investigating the bidens with investigating this ukrainian company, burisma bu would you have objected to the president asking for an investigation of bidens. as you sit here now, you say you would have raised your own objections. if we knew we were investigating vice president biden, that would have been
ambassador sondland rays of the investigations but you did not know it was about the bidens, that is your testimony, right? i did not think he was talking you heard him say investigations, you thought it was an appropriate, and the german ask you, and you said you did not know it was because of the biden s. in the wardroom, ambassador sondland raised burisma on the bidens in 2016, you missed that, too, as i understand it. on july 18th, you new aid was withheld and in august, you spent a good part of the time with a statement with rudy giuliani. you were the guy making the changes and interacting with ukrainians. you were putting in rudy s changes, which included a call for investigating burisma and a 2016 elections, which you now know meant the seven, right? you did not know it at the time. right? but now we know it, right? on september 1st, you were in warsaw. i mean, you are at every point in this, you were in warsaw, you were there were an ambassador sondland told andriy yerma
well. so a lot of people might look at this and say, this things don t come of this deal stunk, i don t blame the president for wanting him investigated, never mind the fact that biden was one of the president s challengers for the right house. i think it was inappropriate for him to raise that all not called with ukraine but a lot of people i might look at it and say, not a bad idea. the second thing of course is this, the president seemed to condition eight on that and at other times he did not. let s assume, tucker, for the sake of discussion, that the aided continue to be withheld and russia mounted a devastating attack on ukraine. one that would have been much more easily repelled had the $400 million with of american aid been provided. that would have certainly put this in a different light. nothing like that happened. the aid was provided and prior to that, javelin missiles, which the obama administration had insistently refused to provide, the airport and antitank
pro-trump witness, they were because for his imprisonment, at least. you may be right about that. obviously, the hosannas that are being flung along with rose petals of its witnesses stem from the fact that many in the media, and the washington political world want donald trump gone and then to applaud anything that tilts in that direction. there are some problems, however, with this, which are the following, in my view. one of them is that while the president is loath to admit there was anything wrong with his phone call, and some witnesses are trying to avoid saying that the president really did seek investigation of joe biden and his son, what you just recounted about hunter biden suggests his relationship to burisma and the role that biden played on ukraine policy are subjects for investigation, not only perhaps by ukraine but perhaps the united states as