the other on february 16th. meeting inar san pedro, hondura, the same location that these migrants met on the 15th of january when we joined them so many weeks ago. then you add to that number two to 3,000 that are in tijuana from that caravan last october that we followed. you are talking about a veryng significant number, sean. you are talking upwards of 15 to 20,000 total people of caravans and we have to talk about one last thing, and that is why this is happening. the biggest bull factor, as the border patrol will tell you, the new president, andres manuel lopez obrador andres manuel lopez obrador, inaugurated last december, he is pro-immigrant, e let them walk through gates, i walked with them. he s giving them this visa program, it hasn t been totally done away with. the spokesman for the secretary ofto foreign affairs writing in the washington post today that mexico s position will no longer be migration deterrence and blockage, soo they ve opend