as the judiciary committee has recognized and done before. an fbi investigation of the incident should be the first step in addressing her allegations. and leading off our discussion now, bob schiff, former chief counsel to senator russ fine gold, who served on the senate judiciary committee, and lisa is back, codirector of document and she is the former chief counsel for nominations for the ranking member of the senate judiciary committee on the democratic side. she was the deputy assistant attorney general in the department of justice. and, lisa, i want to start with you. there s been a furious amount of material flying around now in the last hour about what s going on here and what is what there is precedent for, what there isn t. senator orrin hatch who has been a member of the committee for longer than any of us can remember and was there humiliating himself during the anita hill hearing, has issued a tweet tonight about an fbi
them what her terms are going to be. let s listen to what lindsey graham said earlier tonight when he was playing tough against dr. ford before dr. ford s letter arrived at the committee with her demand for an fbi investigation. let s listen to what lindsey graham said earlier this evening. if she does not want to come monday, publicly or privately, we re going to move on and vote wednesday. bob schiff, i for one think that lindsey graham has met his match, that lindsey graham is not going to beat dr. ford at this game. i think that s right. you know, this is a very strategic thing they ve done, but it s also the right thing that they re asking to do. right, exactly. that is a very important point, bob. i don t mean to reduce this to a strategic issue. as senate insiders, i m hugely impressed at that level. your point is the important one. it is the right thing to do. right from the start when
hold a hearing on money has been unfair and is reminiscent of the treatment of anita hill. senator feinstein advocating the fbi investigation. and, bob, there is a much to fear actually for brett kavanagh and his friend mark judge who is another witness who would be in an fbi investigation. that is, of course, that lying to the fbi is a federal crime in and of itself. yes, absolutely. and the fbi can ask a series of questions, can really and bring to bear information that they have accumulated from other witnesses in asking those questions. and get the full story from these people in a way that senators asking questions before a national television audience and some of them grandstanding or trying to put forward a point of view can t do. you know, lisa is absolutely right about the truthfulness being the important thing here. this was the senator that i worked for, senator russ
have been handling this from a senate strategic standpoint that i actually had run a check to see. are these lawyers former senate staffers? because as we all are here, i m looking at a level of sophistication in their strategy that is just flawless and there is no republican on that committee except for possibly jeff flake who understands that they absolutely cannot go forward with this nomination without hearing from dr. ford, and now dr. ford is dictating to them what her terms are going to be. let s listen to what lindsey graham said earlier tonight when he was playing tough against dr. ford before dr. ford s letter arrived at the committee with her demand for an fbi investigation. let s listen to what lindsey graham said earlier this evening. if she does not want to come monday, publicly or privately, we re going to move on and vote wednesday. bob schiff, i for one think
that lindsey graham has met his match, that lindsey graham is not going to beat dr. ford at this game. i think that s right. you know, this is a very strategic thing they ve done, but it s also the right thing that they re asking to do. right, exactly. that is a very important point, bob. i don t mean to reduce this to a strategic issue. as senate insiders, i m hugely impressed at that level. your point is the important one. it is the right thing to do. right from the start when these allegations finally became public, my thought back to the anita hill hearing was that exactly the wrong way to determine whether the allegations that dr. ford has made are true and whether brett kavanagh is telling the truth when he categorically denies them is to have a hearing with 19 senators going back and forth in 10-minute rounds questioning these two witnesses. an investigation which allows for all people with relevant information to be questioned and