his time working as a u.s. attorney and political people who generally came to christie from the offices of other politicians included former new york mayor rudy guiliani. among the trusted aides from his u.s. attorney days, kevin o dowd and mckenna, another lawyer. the political people included bill stepien, the former deputy mayor with whom he severed ties, deputy chief of staff and also broke bridge yet ann kelly who was deputy chief of staff after stepien and who christie very publicly fired and maria ca mel la who used to work for rudy giuliani. bob ingle, tell us, is this second group or the is of a booster rocket you cannion away and say well, i only deal with the lawyers around me and i have i have what do you call it a code of trust with them. but these other people i m sort of cutting them off and letting them drift, in fact, calling them liars and stupid on the
0 exonerating press conference i don t know nothing. it doesn t square. your thoughts? i read the times story this morning and i thought it was a very good article. i don t think there s anybody in trenton who covers this administration who thinks there was anything going on the governor didn t know about. let me go to kendall coffey. thank you, sir. i m looking at this trying to look at it through your eyes. if you see trail of entanglement by the governor where he seems to be in charge of this elaborate plan to hit 100 cities and townses in new jersey, put the pressure on the clinters, put the pressure on the local project that s important to that mayor, squeeze them and get an endorsement. and then it turns out that one of the mayors he s squeezing is in ft. lee, another in hoboken and harrison. can you tie all of that together into a criminal matter if you re a prosecutor. i think prosecutors are going to find this fascinating because it does suggest that there was a system i
0 allegations that we ve been hearing about could very well be connected. if true. the other thing that you just described it s very, very important is that if indeed prosecutors are convinced that christie was a micromanager, micromanagers don t do a great job of playing the card of hear no evil, see no evil. from a prosecutor s standpoint, if somebody s constantly getting down in the weeds just maybe they re also getting down in the dirt. so when you go around and collect witnesses as they re doingen an collect e-mail, are you looking for a general pattern or looking for specific information tying christie to particular deeds? well, ultimately, you ve got to get specifics that make the connection. because even if there s a moral or a political or other kinds of responsibilities for what your office does, if you re going to get to the top of the pyramid, you need a ladder that personally implicates whoever might be the individual you re focusing on with personal knowledge and comp
of this in trenton. one of the co-chairs of the committee about what she hopes this investigation will uncover. the big, very big question is why. why would anybody think of creating a traffic jam and punishing thousands of innocent people? what was the reason? that was state senator lor receipt it weinberg there. bob ingle, the author of chris christie, the inside story of his rise to power. always good to see you. you bet. legislature appears to be taking somewhat of a mulligan on the investigation. is it now on a better course? i don t know if it is. the problem they ve been having is that people are starting to think it s really a political circus and not a serious investigation. it s not a criminal investigation anyway. they can t do that. this is really about according to them finding out if the rules
0 language is plays to one of those terms. i want to bring you back in here. there was something else over the weekend that i m sure you have seen and read about. senator rand paul making waves with his remarks about an alleged war on women, taking it back to president clinton. take a listen. someone who takes advantage of a young girl in their office i mean, really, and then they have the gall to stand up and say republicans are having a war on women. yes, i think it s a factor. we should know he was asked about his remarks by his wife on the issue but he really went for it there. is this a preview, ryan, of things to come? oh, absolutely. you know, the republican party never let go of its hostility towards bill clinton, which will easily transfer over to hillary clinton. it s funny how, the parties live in such different worlds. right now the republicans think the current president is a socialist, progressives think he s far too conservative, far too moderate. but president c