personality, the main feature of his personality was being a pathological liar. that has obviously infected the party as much as any of the positions. even the grievance, the racism, the populism, all of the stuff trump infected the party with, that personality trait of trump s, the core one, the one where he will say anything in any given situation and lie shamelessly, like without any hesitance contradict himself between just hours apart and claim that things that are on tape that he never said those things, that these were made up. i still to this day, joe, says that the access hollywood tape was fabricated, the billy bush tape. that s the guy we are denying with, the tape that caught him in the middle of the campaign talking about touching women s private areas he says it is a fraud, it is not a real thing.
this is why i somewhat disagree. i think for trump it is not the past, it may matter, it may irritate him, but i think he knows that mccarthy is subjugated, that he is forgiven for this. i am so fascinated by the tape. can we play it again, tj? i know a lot of our viewers probably heard it the first time and want to hear it again just to digest it. we have a senior citizen who watches the show a good bit in palm beach area. he might want to hear it again too. can we play it? liz, you on the phone? yeah, i m here. thanks, kevin. um, i guess there s a question when we were talking about the 25th amendment resolution. yeah. and you asked, you know, what happens if it gets there after he is gone, is there any chance, are you hearing, that he might
kevin mccarthy was telling other republican leaders that donald trump was on putin s payroll and said, swear to god, i think he s paid. he denied it. he was shown a transcript. he said the transcript was fake news. then when he played the tape he said he was just joking. this doesn t sound like a joke. this sounds like a man who will lie through his teeth and do anything to be speaker of the house. the question, john heilemann, is that now endangered because of this tape? good morning, guys. was it in danger, joe? i think it is definitely in danger. there s no question. i m in south florida right now, probably not very far i can t mention how many miles from here where i m sitting in miami to mar-a-lago, but whatever it is, that s where the future of kevin mccarthy lies now is in donald trump and what his reaction to this is going to be. we had no idea what the private conversations of trump and mccarthy have been in the last 12 hours, in the last 24 hours, in the week before that
with kevin. we see it happening time and time again in republican races across the country where, mika, you actually you don t get support of a large chunk of the republican base unless you are willing to parrot donald trump s lies about the election being stolen, unless you are willing to parrot qanon lies about pedophilia. it is so dangerous. so, again, we have played this tape. we have made light of kevin s bungling here. but you peel back the bungling and there is a much graver threat yeah. to western democracy, and that is, again, that a large portion of a political party in the house of representatives is driven by creating an alternative reality, lying about
up being hurt all that much by this. i do agree with john it is very difficult for us to say as journalists we trust something from his office again. he has been proven to be a liar. not just on this. in the article, too, he is reported as saying he wanted to oust fellow republicans from twitter. he wished twitter intervened and got them off the platform. now he is talking about twitter being a terrible censor of free speech. it is on multiple levels that he did. in terms of the political consequences, i m not sure he faces much of a punishment. joe real quick, coming in cnn is reporting there have been accusations widespread yesterday liz cheney is the one that leaked the tape. her office saying representative cheney did not record or leak the tape and doesn t know how the reporters got it. just wanted to sprinkle that into the conversation. good to know. as we talk about lying here, it is important to understand how in races across america this year that this sort of lying has