midshipmen were seen making this gesture. at first glance resembles an awkward okay sign. the anti-defamation league says the gesture recently emerged as a white power signal claiming it represented the letters w.p. for white power. in contrast, the circle game is a game people tend to trick each other into looking into an okay-like hand gesture made somewhere below the waist and you get punched afterwards. joining me, an expert on this. msnbc contributor former u.s. navy intelligence officer, and also i note, author of the plot to betray america. thanks for being here. okay. you re a navy man. oh, yeah. what do you make of these investigations and the result? well, when we had this discussion last week right after the army/navy game i said that this investigation would start the very minute they would get back on the buses and that s precisely what happened. both west point and the naval
presently talking to a group of local teamsters and then going to a soulfood restaurant for lunch talking to the black community here in the las vegas area before a community roundtable with latino leaders. part of pete buttigieg s late push to expand his reach. you see him continually over the last month and a half sit atop iowa polling and doing well in new hampshire. when you look beyond, very much, south bend mayor, really making his play and trying to introduce himself to the rest of the country. vaughn hilliard joining us and ali vitali, suburbs of iowa city. honest, not real wine unless it s in a box. thanks, guys. full circle. two investigations into controversial hand gestures seen on air during the army/navy game that found students playing the so-called circle game. not flashing signals associated with white supremacy. both the u.s. naval and military academies conducted investigations after cadets and
co-author of isis, inside the army of terror. spider, let me start with you. this is a huge development. what does it mean? we heard from nick paton walsh, the only western journalist, our reporter ob the scene that there may be a handful of isis fighters they re trying to eradica eradicate, but for the most part, mosul has been liberated. tell us the significance? let s be frank. this is what i would say is the first third of a larger campaign that needs to be in place. i don t want to diminish the accomplishments in place. the united states has been in iraq for 14 years, and over that decade and a half there has been a concerted effort not only to eliminate bad guys but to build up a military and help establish and create a foundation for governance. now the real test begins. you ve liberated mosul. you now have the requirement to hold what has been accomplished and build on that. if you remember the strategy for many years has been clear, hold
it out to the end and the syrian regime is close by with an eye on getting back as much territory as it can. nick paton walsh reporting for us in syria. a lot to discuss with barbara starr. cnn investigative reporter, michael weiss, co-author of isis, inside the army of terror. barbara, if or when isis does lose control of raqqah and mosul, what kind of an effect will that have on its overall strength? well, look, it takes away one of its biggest propaganda values to radical people around the world, people who radicalize. it can no longer really claim it s an islamic state. it takes away their state. but they still have considerable propaganda value. people get inspired by them. they can still recruit overseas potentially. they can still inspire terrorist lone wolf attacks, if you will, in europe. we re already seeing that of course in recent weeks and
nick paton walsh reporting for us from outside raqqah in syria. is a lot to discuss with pentagon correspondent barbara starr. and michael weiss, co-author of isis, inside the army of terror. barbara, if or when isis does lose control of raqqah and mosul, what kind of an effect will that have on its overall strength? well, look, it takes away one of its biggest propaganda values to radical people around the world, people who radicalize. it can no longer really claim it s an islamic state. it takes away their state. but they still have considerable propaganda value. people get inspired by them. they can still recruit overseas potentially. they can still inspire terrorist lone wolf attacks, if you will, in europe. we re already seeing that of course in recent weeks and months. so it takes away sort of their military state in iraq and syria, but it doesn t take away