their virtues every day. and when no one was arrested the malitia world said courage is contagious. and the number of militias in our country have grown considerably since that time. what we re seeing is the predictable result of the failure of law enforcement to crack down because of what happened at the bundy ranch in april of 2014. let s listen to what marco rubio said about it today. you cannot be lawless. we live in a republic. there are ways to change the rules of the country. we get frustrated with it, that s why we have elections and have people we can hold accountable. and i agree there s too much federal control over land, especially out in the western part of the united states, states for example like nevada that are dominated by the federal government in terms of land holding and we should fix it. but no one should be doing it out of the way of the law. responsible commentary by rubio and ted cruz s change of tone and content on this one,
pointing guns at federal agents and no prosecutions resulted. when the federal government backed down, they saw it as a tremendous victory. and since that time we ve seen a real increase in the number of armed militias out there, from about 200, to about 275. so what s happening now in oregon, i think, is a really predictable result of what happened on the bundy ranch in april of 2014. jim, let me get you to respond, that he s basically linking the decision by the federal government to back down during the bundy incident, the first one, led to this. well, richard will appreciate me saying that he s exactly right. the government can t rush in there with their hair on fire, real strong and get involved in the shoot-out with these anti-government militia men, because that s basically what they want. they want to be martyrs for the cause, they want to start the revolution. so you don t want to act like that.
but they are all being looked at. i want to talk to you about something you ve been calling for and that s the increased surveillance of muslim communities. within muslim communities. the nypd had a program that really did this in muslim communities, but they ended up getting rid of it in april of 2014. when you talk about having increased surveillance, are you talking about something like this program? is there any evidence that this actually stopped any potential terror attacks? well, the fact is that there were no real terror attacks in new york during the time that that was in effect. and as commissioner kelly s pointed out there were 15 or 16 attacks that were stopped. actually, the program you re talking about, that s the demographics unit. that was really not there to find terror plots. it was to find out which muslim groups were living in which community. like if you wanted to find out where the moroccans were living or egyptians so if we re told a threat coming from a part
that you have had regular flare-ups of violence going on and they re becoming more and more frequent. the time between each of them is growing less and less. there doesn t seem to be any effort on behalf of, for instance, the united states which tried beginning of the summer of 2013 with, say, u.s. secretary of state john kerry who tried to revive the peace process, that collapsed in april of 2014. and yes, president obama talked about tamping down the violence, but the problem is that, as long as the basic features remain, as long as there s an israeli occupation of the west bank and east jerusalem, there will be problems. and unless that is addressed, what you have is probably not a into fatah. but you have a constant background drum roll of violence that has no prospect of ending unless there s a solution. natalie? all right.
charged was there wasn t enough evidence. even if detectives thought that todd reine was the master mind and asked john rams to kill shirley, why do you think he was never charged? i don t know. i don t know. that s what kills me. i don t know. they never even questioned he never even got questioned. todd was never questioned. not because police didn t try, but because he and his brother melvin refused to talk. tell folks how long this journey has been for you to see justice here? nine years. what would you say to mr. rams if you could talk to him? do the right thing. just do the right thing. in april of 2014, after less than two weeks of testimony, the prosecution rested, and the defense made the bold choice not to call a single witness. i felt very strong about simply making my final argument