aimed to lay the groundwork to end the war. but then yesterday, ukraine responded, expressing concern over the move. do you, sir, have any insight into these meetings? does the fact that russian officials are even involved indicate that this back channel type diplomacy could be effective? well, it s important to make sure we know what we re talking about here, alex. it s not a back channel diplomacy, these are retired former national security people, richard haass, who most recently runs the council on foreign relations at the, if the stories are to be believed. look, it s always good to have conversations going on between antagonists. during the cold war, we had all sorts of people talking to the soviets. as you know, the director of the cia has made visits to russia, has made visits to china. talking is always good, so long as there s not misunderstanding. obviously, none of the official speak for the united states, and most importantly, alex, this is really the critical element
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were once with him and have become antagonists, into enemies, into basically the devil for his base it s hard to imagine any one or two people getting into that space is going to change the way voters feel about him. i think it s remarkable it s his former attorney general, usually the position closest to guarding the president s back who is now saying donald trump puts himself above his party, puts himself above his country, puts himself above the constitution so it s not just somebody who was once aligned with donald trump. this is bill barr who helped clear lafayette square out in front of the white house so that donald trump could go brandish a bible during the covid and racial protests of 2020. so this is not somebody that was
even as the arraignment was taking place in miami, a judge in new york granted e. jean carroll s application to expand her defamation case against the former president to include his recent remarks about her. a source telling nbc, there is frustration from some inside trump world over the former president s decision making with classified documents and whether all the investigations and the charges may be too much for many republican voters, despite trump s current power in the polls. joining me now, garrett haake in new jersey, former u.s. attorney paul charlton and brendan buck, former senior aid to paul ryan. garrett, you were in the courtroom. you saw donald trump. you saw jack smith. how closely they were sitting near each other in the courtroom. talk to me about what you saw. what were their demeanors? reporter: the two antagonists were only 20 feet apart across
the republican front-runner blasting the investigations as partisan election interference. just how far are the radical left and inside the beltway bandits willing to go to stop it? reporter: in a new ad comparing mr. trump s antagonists to wolves. meantime, president biden also facing a special counsel investigation into his handling of classified documents. tonight nbc news learning that investigation does not appear to be close to ending. the president has yet to be interviewed, three people familiar with the matter tell us. saying his advisers determined he would provide an interview once his legal team and doj agree on conditions. nbc s peter alexander pressing president biden today on the investigations. what do you say to americans to convince that they should trust the independence and fairness of the justice department when your predecessor donald trump repeatedly attacked it? because you noticed i have never once, not one single time suggested the justice department w