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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:34:00

shell casings are the same caliber used in new jersey. so, this is a real possibility that these cases are connected? yes. where do you go from there? immediately notify the fbi. agent denahan was told the victim in california, marc angelucci, a 52-year-old lawyer, had been shot in his front hallway eight days before the shooting at judge salas s house. were you just shocked when you heard that? it was shocking. we weren t expecting to link up a murder in california to the attack here in new jersey. in california, marc angelucci s colleague, michael can sake, got a call from a mutual friend just hours after the shooting. i can tell that he was crying and he kind of came out and said, marc s been murdered. as a private investigator and former homicide detective, he needed to know more. he started making calls and quickly learned it was marc s roommates father who opened the door. this person said are you marc angelucci? he said no.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:56:00

he then picked up the silver rental car in philly and drove to new jersey. tracking his cell phone, we can put him down, in very close proximity to the judges residence. hours and days before the attack, and this indicated to us that he was watching her, trying to develop a pattern of life. so why was hollander targeting the judge? she had nothing to do with angelucci s lawsuit. turned out that denhollander filed a similar lawsuit involving the draft. his case was in new jersey, and presiding over the case was none other than judge esther salas. i knew the case, but it was not one that sort of even registered as a potential threat. and you were sort of on his side? you ruled for him? that is the ironic part. the judge had allowed denhollander s case to move forward. you must ask yourself, why? why my family? that someone was told, me he hated you the moment you are

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 05:55:00

the same. 380 caliber hand gun, legally purchased in the 19 eighties. agent denahan and his team tracked hollander s movements, minute by minute. his shooting spree began when he got on a train in new york city. he took amtrak out to california, bringing the weapon with him. surveillance cameras captured him at the los angeles train station, and at the one in san bernardino. he spent a few days in the area, denahan says, most likely tracking of mark, waiting for the perfect time to kill him. how does he get back? same way. he immediately returns, same way. he then pick up the silver rental car in philly and drove to new jersey. tracking his cell phone, we can put him down, and very close proximity to the judges residence. hours and days before the attack, and this indicated to us that he was watching her, trying to develop a pattern of life. so why was hollander targeting the judge? she had nothing to do with angelucci s lawsuit. turned out that hollander filed

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 05:52:00

a quick search of the man s car, agents found those dossiers on the judge angelucci. they also discovered the dead man s name, roy hollander. what were you learning about him? he was 72 years old at the time of his death. he was highly educated, a practicing attorney. anything else the agent wanted to know about hollander, was found in a 1500-page manifesto on his computer. the pages dripped with hatred of women, like his ex wife, a russian bride who dumped him when she got to america. but hollander saved the brunt of his anger for his mother writing, may she burn in hell. so he was clearly a massage east. all of the failures of his life, all of the shortcomings were his doing. he blamed them on women. the fbi learned he appeared on tv several times, ranting about anti feminist lawsuits he filed. several years ago, he appeared on the colbert report, showing off his break dancing moves, and was mockingly called a difference maker for ladies nights at bars were

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 05:34:00

we weren t expecting to link up a murder in california to the attack here in new jersey. in california, marc angelucci s colleague, michael can sake, got a call from a mutual friend just hours after the shooting. i can tell that he was crying and he kind of came out and said, marc s been murdered. as a private investigator and former homicide detective, he needed to know more. he started making calls and quickly learned it was marc s roommates father who opened the door. this person said are you marc angelucci? he said no. he offered to sign for the package but the delivery man said he needed to see marc in person to get a signature. so, marc came up and this person said are you marc angelucci, and he said, yes. and then, he pulled the gun. marc saw the gun and he turned to run. and then the individual just started shooting. i had heard that he had been

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